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Bill Moyers: When We Kill Without Caring

Hits: 5742 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: FoolsPrussia
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Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:30:19 AM

@OldOllie: Ollie, we actually have some views in common on this issue.
(1) I disapprove of Obama's use of drone strikes.
(2) I'd have preferred that OBL were taken alive (though probably for reasons different from yours).

Where I think you're dead wrong, however, is in your charge that Obama is somehow lacking the courage necessary to fight terrorism. Obama's decision to send in a SEAL team to get OBL was gutsy. Had that mission failed--if for example, the entire compound had been booby-trapped, the SEALs had all died, and OBL had escaped--Obama would have thrown away any chance at a second term. Any president who wanted to play it safe would've used a cruise missile or JDAM strike for that mission.

There are numerous things I dislike about Obama, Ollie. But I'm not so partisan that I can't acknowledge that he had balls of brass when it came to taking out OBL.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13529 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:03:28 PM
@S4S, so where is Obama holding bin Laden? What kind of intelligence have we gotten from him?

The fact is, the Seals could have captured him and would have had that been their orders. Obama ordered him killed because he doesn't have the stomach to fight this war to win it.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:32:58 PM

@OldOllie: Ollie, declaring "I WIN!" after you've had all your teeth knocked out doesn't make you a winner. It just means you're out of touch with reality.

Chalket's three word response of "Osama Bin Laden," after you were going off in conservative la-la land about Obama being a "sniveling coward" who "won't take the risk to send in troops to capture terrorists," was a knockout blow. I'm pretty sure it was recognized as such by virtually everyone following this thread except you.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13246 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:52:31 AM
We need to send in team bear....

and rain down the care on these mofudgeaz!!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:50:44 AM
Come on OldOllie. Your whole tactic when responding to my original comment where I actually mentioned Bin Ladin was designed for people to bring up Bin Ladin. I could tell exactly what you were doing. That is why I did not bite. You are a troll extraordinaire but you are still just a troll.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13529 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:31:54 AM
Trolls like you hardly ever own people they usually just end up looking like bigger trolls.

markust, in yet another glaring example of your chronic intellectual dishonesty, you COMPLETELY ignored my refutation of chacklet's citation of bin Laden as an example of a CAPTURED terrorist.

In 4 years Obama hasn't captured a single al Qaeda or Taliban leader, because he doesn't know what to do with them if he did. He simply orders them killed, (along with anyone standing within 100' of them) so consequently we are getting absolutely NO intelligence from them.

That's how terrorists were able to plan a massive coordinated attack in Benghazi. Obama was caught completely flatfooted. He had no idea this was even possible, and he had no idea how to respond. That's why he went and hid under his bed while 4 Americans were slaughtered. Then he sent his minions out to lie about it being caused by a stupid YouTube video.

Meanwhile, you defend him.

Link_Hiei
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 5188 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:27:43 AM
Also I always look forward to what gerry has to say too. Kinda like finding the funny joke in a poo stack or something.

Link_Hiei
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 5188 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:26:48 AM
" I don't think anyone cares what I have to say anyway."

Just to the regulars who always try to prove that they are right in every frackin "debate". Haw haw haw.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:58:32 AM
"MarkusT, for someone who's been owned as many times as you have, you're in no position to be giving advice on the subject."

Saying that you have owned someone pretty much proves the opposite. Take your post below (with the wrestling picture). You just ended up looking like a jackass. Trolls like you hardly ever own people they usually just end up looking like bigger trolls.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13246 Posts
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:31:35 AM
Oh we should've been using....


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13529 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 11:37:33 PM
I know you like nuts Squrlz but that is one nut that is just best left alone.

markust, for someone who's been owned as many times as you have, you're in no position to be giving advice on the subject.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 10:04:08 PM
I know you like nuts Squrlz but that is one nut that is just best left alone.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13529 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:38:34 PM
ELBOW FROM THE SKY! BOOM! Time to throw in the towel on that one, Ollie. =^.^=

@S4S. I guess that one didn't work out the way you planned, did it?


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13529 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:31:14 PM
He won't take the risk to send in troops to capture these terrorists, and he wouldn't know what to do with them if he did.

Three words: Osama Bin Laden.


So, where is Osama being held and interrogated now? Oh, yeah, that's right... Besides, if I recall, Obama condemned the very interrogation techniques that eventually led us to bin Laden. Had it been up to him, we would never have gotten the intelligence that led us to him, and when it WAS up to him, we weren't able to capture him.

I guess in retrospect, though, with Obama in charge, it was better to kill bin Laden than bring him to New York City for a circus trial complete with a team of ACLU lawyers and an OJ jury.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 4:26:20 PM
"Three words: Osama Bin Laden."

ELBOW FROM THE SKY! BOOM! Time to throw in the towel on that one, Ollie. =^.^=


chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 10:27:25 AM
The fact is, Obama is a sniveling little coward.

"The fact is, [OldOllie] is a sniveling little coward."

He won't take the risk to send in troops to capture these terrorists, and he wouldn't know what to do with them if he did.

Three words: Osama Bin Laden.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:53:56 AM
There were 36 drone attacks in Pakistan in 2008 (under the last president), 54 in 2009 (under the current president). The military got this program going during another administration. Unless you live in a fantasy world where congress moves at lightning speed this is not a partisan issue.

Source

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:40:44 AM
SnapsForMe, I think you greatly underestimate yourself.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 7:51:13 AM
"We're caring about the people we're killing? Is that a thing now? Did Humans EVER care about the folks they've killed? "

The word "caring" here implies that we need to care about the reaction our killing triggers. That's smart policy.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 7:48:12 AM
"Bush water-boarded 3 al Qaeda leaders, and that makes him a war criminal. Obama just blows them all to hell with drones along with thousands of innocent bystanders, including women and children, and not a single f*** is given by the vast majority of the left-wing hypocrites."

Actually, Bush launched an illegal war based on lies and manipulated intelligence. That's what makes him a war criminal in my eyes.

I'm a liberal who opposes Obama's drone program. There are many, many others.

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2091 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:17:14 PM
What are the odds of a government not being interested in the views of it's citizens?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13529 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:39:55 PM
I'm really disappointed that he hasn't pushed back harder against the military leaders in this instance.

Pushed back? Seriously? Hell, Obama insists on picking the targets personally! He LOVES drones because there's no risk to HIM from these remote control executions.

The fact is, Obama is a sniveling little coward. He won't take the risk to send in troops to capture these terrorists, and he wouldn't know what to do with them if he did.

Bush water-boarded 3 al Qaeda leaders, and that makes him a war criminal. Obama just blows them all to hell with drones along with thousands of innocent bystanders, including women and children, and not a single f*** is given by the vast majority of the left-wing hypocrites.

SnapsForMe
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 215 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:26:01 PM
Markust, I've been coming to IAB for years, mostly as a lurker. I almost never comment because most of the time, I don't think anyone cares what I have to say anyway. Each post I get so excited as I scroll down to the comments trying to guess what Gerry will have said. If he hasn't commented yet, normally I check the post again. I don't always agree with him, but I always enjoy his point of view. In retrospect, I guess it's kind of creepy. But, whatever, I know everyone else does it too

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13529 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:23:02 PM
I'll give him credit for at least having a modicum of intellectually honesty. Most liberals would only be outraged if Bush were doing this.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1703 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:22:40 PM
Some Drone "pilots" have severe PTSD. It stems from the fact that they are not threatened in any way. I personally can't brush aside innocent casualties as the cost of war because then the argument is no different than the terrorists. The fact of the matter is that drone warfare is doing way more damage than solving a problem. It's like doing brain surgery with a chainsaw.

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