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Perception Of Assault Weapons [Pic]

Hits: 13467 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: Misc. | Added by: kitteh9lives
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FAKEBACON
Male, 18-29, Canada
 592 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:48:17 PM
oh... americans.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4455 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:47:37 PM
whodat6484

"Sorry to use facts, actual definitions and sh*t like that, but someone has to do it."

Not sure if that was directed at me, but I am well aware of how a bump stock works. I've seen it fired in person.

That doesn't change the fact that it causes the gun to fire as rapidly as a full auto, even if it technically isn't.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3342 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:44:57 PM
@5Cats - I say the same thing about being able to shoot accurately, fast & being able to change magazines fast. The magazine issue is pointless because I can drop an empty one, slap a fresh one in there, chamber the first round (all while my sights are still on the target) and keep shooting in less than 2 seconds.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3631 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:19:22 PM
goaliejerry-"that upgraded musket is far more leathal with a scope"

The pictured Musket was a smoothbore shooting round ball shot. It was accurate to maybe 50-60 yards. A scope is not going to improve on that.

goaliejerry-"stand"

Same as above.

goaliejerry-"heat disapater"

You're firing 1 round every 20 seconds...heat is not an issue.

goaliejerry-"it's more accurate at longer ranges"

This musket was never accurate at any longer range.

markust123-"Why is there not a one time course and test required for gun owners?"

Maybe because to most individuals that do not hold an irrational fear of an inanimate object, a firearm is much less complicated and dangerous than a boat.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21845 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:10:02 PM
But it's strains reason to that putting a better sight on any sight-aimed weapon won't make it more accurate.

@goalijerry: Modern, mass produced ammunition has caused us to forget how wildly innacurate old-time muskets were.
Soldier would cast their own shot!
They'd dump in various quantities of gunpowder!
It was never certain that ALL the powder would ignite anyhow!

So putting a scope on a WILDLY innacruate 1776 weapon is 100% USELESS! If 1 shot goes 200 yards, and the next goes 220? What difference does a scope make? You can barely hit a barn at the best of times.

@HolyGod: I can pull the trigger really fast, does that make ME a "lethal weapon"?

no person should need or should have access to that kind of power.

But criminals DO HAVE that kind of firepower! How about YOU take their guns first, eh?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3631 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:03:04 PM
goaliejerry-"that upgraded musket is far more leathal with a scope"

The pictured Musket was a smoothbore shooting round ball shot. It was accurate to maybe 50-60 yards. A scope is not going to improve on that.

goaliejerry-"stand"

Same as above.

goaliejerry-"heat disapater"

You're firing 1 round every 20 seconds...heat is not an issue.

goaliejerry-"it's more accurate at longer ranges"

This musket was never accurate at any longer range.

markust123-"Why is there not a one time course and test required for gun owners?"

Maybe because to most individuals that do not hold an irrational fear of an inanimate object, a firearm is much less complicated and dangerous than a boat.

REV666
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 152 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:54:51 PM
@HolyGod

heres the thing. yes, you can get a bumpstock and large cap clip and do bad things. but those are specific choices. its like buying a ford mustang and souping it up to race. a simple, semi quick car is now an "assault" vehicle.

my father in the 90's went to a gun show and bought an SKS (chinesse AK47) and took it home, fully legal. it was a semi auto, one bullet at a time gun. he then paid ~$100 and ordered FROM A CATALOG a full auto conversion and large capacity mag and spent a whole 15 minutes converting it to F/A. this is the same man who joined the KKK, hated blacks, jews and mexicans, and spent the rest of his life in jail (18 years) for an unrelated crime. of all the guns he owned, he never once used one unlawfully.

the point is, anyone can modify or acquire a weapon capable to do harm on a great scale. its up to the people owning them to be responsible enough to own, maintain and use them correctly.

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1630 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:37:32 PM
Yeah, that's the same.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3342 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:34:41 PM
@SpermNinja81 - An AR-15 is not a "military grade" weapon. The definition of an "assault rifle" is a rifle that has selective fire capability. That means the selector switch lets you choose either SAFE, SEMI, BURST/AUTO.

@HolyGod - Bump firing a rifle is NOT the same as fully automatic since technically, you're still pulling the trigger for each shot.

Sorry to use facts, actual definitions and sh*t like that, but someone has to do it.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3054 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:30:06 PM

HG - Do you consider a mini 14 as a military grade weapon? semi auto, shoots .223 but no one calls it an assault weapon or military grade.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:19:43 PM
@prussia You are wrong about that. Rifling has been around since 1520. The revolutionary war was in the 1700s ....

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:17:14 PM
For HolyGod

We DO need that power.

And if you think we don't. Then you can enjoy your time in your residential center. People like you that take out of context things that are only TOOLS because of a few crazy people make me sick.

I can take hatchets and throw them indiscriminately at a crowd of people or in a movie theater. Criminals don't obey the laws. And if you think that ANYONE is going to protect you in your time of need then you are sadly mistaken my friend. There are plenty of situations that would call for a "military style" -Sidebar(you're wrong about that by the way buddy, it's in fact the anti-gun people who coined "assault rifle" before that they were known as Sporting Rifles)--
Weapon (ar-15, ak47,semi auto rifle)or whatever you want to call it. They are VERY RARE But i ALSO happen to have a fire extinguisher in my house even tho i don't expect a fire to break out.The 2nd is the most necessary, Don't forget we founded o

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1393 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:04:35 PM
And in my opinion no government should be so powerful as to deny me the right of access to such power.


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4455 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:38:57 PM
ForSquirrel

"I don't see how the AR15 is a military grade weapon"

Because I can put a 100 round barrel magazine on it and a bump stock and shoot 100 bullets into a crowd in less than 30 seconds. Would it be all that accurate? No. If you are indiscriminately shooting into a densely populated enclosed public area (like a theater) do you need to be all that accurate? No.

In my opinion no person should need or should have access to that kind of power.

ForSquirel
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1400 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:19:34 PM
@spermninja - I don't see how the AR15 is a military grade weapon. It doesn't have selective fire capability unless you consider the safety a selective fire switch. If you do want 'military grade' weapons you do have to go through background checks, which are already in place and have been for quite sometime now. There are already hoops to be jumped through when purchasing a firearm. Yes, it may seem easy to get one, but everything you mentioned already exists. It's not the people that follow the laws that are the problem.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3157 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:09:24 PM
Are you kidding me? The barrel on a revolutionary war musket was smooth, compared to the rifling grooves in a modern rifle, and it shot balls instead of bullets. Hardly an accurate weapon.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:44:08 PM
The point has been missed entirely, no -one is calling for the regulation of muskets. Unless you can figure out a way to make a musket fire semi auto, and carry a F--k- tonne of ammunition, own all the muskets you want. hell, I'd even own a musket, And that's the type of weapon that was around when the second amendment was drafted. If you want to own a military- grade weapon, you should at least be open to licensing, background checks, and any other measures that will help prevent the nut-jobs from committing mass murder with them. I understand that it might be inconvenient, but it's a small price to pay for your precious weapons, no?

goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:30:25 PM
"Muskets are smooth bore long gun. No more accurate with a scope than without."

That's simply illogical. I understand that a musket is smoothbore and inherently inaccurate. But it's strains reason to that putting a better sight on any sight-aimed weapon won't make it more accurate.

That said - this is dumb. I love me my guns and talking about them, but I return to my original point - this is a dumb way to make a point. The better ones are showing semi-auto rifles and comparing them to the AR, and noting both have the same caliber, same barrel length, and same accuracy, but one has a scary look, and one looks like what gramps keeps in the cellar to ward off cyotes. Yes, cyotes is mispelled because that is how grandpa said it, and he didn't need no red dot to hit one a fifty yards neither,

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1393 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:15:07 PM
Putting a scope on a gun that has no real accuracy past the distance that anybody can already see with the naked eye isn't much of a help. The heat sinks don't do any more good than the wood of the original. And as for the stand it's not like anybody in revolutionary days never steadied their weapon on a fence or a log.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:12:12 PM
I just finished a one time three hour boating course and took a 75 question test that I need to legally operate my boat. Why is there not a one time course and test required for gun owners? I know I would feel a lot safer if people were trained on proper storage and handling of guns. I know I feel safer knowing that people are required to learn how to safely navigate around other boats.

jdavg3
Male, 40-49, Western US
 26 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:06:14 PM
Muskets are smooth bore long gun. No more accurate with a scope than without.

Ripper398
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1318 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:50:08 PM
lol, Gerry. Dispose of mine as well, the little f#cker has sprayed ammo all over my clothes this weekend.

goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:44:27 PM
This is stupid. As tedgp said - that upgraded musket is far more leathal with a scope, stand, heat disapater - if anything, it's more accurate at longer ranges.

If you're going to make a point, don't undermine it by being flat wrong.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:34:04 PM

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patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4080 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:23:59 PM
I fourth the sigh and add a "blah, blah, blah".

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