 alltagstod
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 17 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:56:11 PM
The fact that there is no removable magazine and doesn't allow for even semiautomatic fire makes neither of those an assault rifle. |
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Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
289 Posts
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Friday, March 01, 2013 12:33:30 AM
@MeGrendel You shifted the goal post's. You were saying which is more dangerous not which causes more harm by accident's. I agree with you that a gun is a lot less complex then a boat and less likely to malfunction. But on harm done and potential harm done by boats and guns. Gun's win's hands down. |
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comp_wizard
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
193 Posts
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:44:04 PM
Banning assault weapons is a good idea. Unfortunately, in the US, it's completely unconstitutional. That's not likely to change, so we'd best figure out a way to live with it. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:35:07 AM
But what happens if we ban assault weapons and then we need to assault something? You know, like storming City Hall or the Capital Building or something. Hey, it's happened before so you never know, we might want to do that again sometime.
I say, keep them around just in case. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5332 Posts
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:41:44 AM
And our founding fathers didn't add the "unless you're a violent criminal or insane" clause presumably because they figured people are smart enough to know better.
So now every mental illness qualifies you as "insane"? Sorry, but you can't hide behind the 2nd Amendment while simultaneously approving the restriction of that right from other law-abiding people just because they were in a mental institution for however long. You can hypothesize your founder's motives all you want, but if rights are absolute, and they didn't make provisions to take away those rights under specific circumstances, then you can't pick and choose which people you think deserve those rights. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6686 Posts
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:37:09 AM
Ban them both |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3062 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 8:31:46 PM
DromEd
"Nice try at the insult though."
Did you somehow think I meant we had LITERALLY been playing chess? SO, then you LITERALLY think I'm a pigeon?
Perhaps you don't know how this works... |
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 DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
956 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 8:09:55 PM
ROTFLMFAO. Kasparov would need at least 25 moves to bring the real pressure. I know my stuff.
Nice try at the insult though. |
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 SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2136 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 4:56:33 PM
I'll buy 7. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 4:38:13 PM
@MeGrendel, "For example: He stated he had to learn (because he did not know) which side of the boat the red & green safetly lights are on so you don't run into someone. (I'm not making fun of his not knowing. A boating class is an excellent idea if you've never spent much time around boats.)"
You are such a troll. I never said I didn't know what side the red and green are on. Here's what I said,
"If you are talking about boat safety yes. For instance you need to know which side of a boat the red and green lights are on so you don't run into someone in the dark by turning the wrong way. I have to admit I didn't like being forced to take the class but I learned quite a few things..." |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3062 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 3:13:15 PM
DromEd
"You kicked over all the pieces, pooped on the board and declared yourself the winner. Just like a pigeon would."
Yes. But I did that after scholars-mating you in 4 moves. |
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DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
956 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 3:07:55 PM
Wow HG. You're the one who brought up the specious argument that I would see guns in the hands of crazy people and death row inmates. I thought I could make a case about what a our rights are as spelled out in the Bill of Rights without anybody wanting to nit pick that tiny point. And our founding fathers didn't add the "unless you're a violent criminal or insane" clause presumably because they figured people are smart enough to know better.
So feel good about yourself dude. You kicked over all the pieces, pooped on the board and declared yourself the winner. Just like a pigeon would.
Have a nice day. |
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 Boresome
Male, 30-39, Europe
52 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 2:31:28 PM
dang .. i want one .... |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3062 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 12:16:24 PM
DromEd
"Thanks for proving my point."
You had no point. You said all rights in the constitution were "absolute". Then when you were shown that they absolutely are not absolute and there are restrictions you agreed with us while at the same time insulting our sauce. Then you somehow felt you had earned a self congratulatory comment as to your intellectual superiority.
In fact you had such a non point and were so overwhelmingly smug about it I feel like either IAB somehow deleted your point or you had some sort of seizure which left you with a false memory.
In either case I am sorry. |
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DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
956 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 12:11:42 PM
HG....I kinda feel like a pigeon would beat you. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean a regular pigeon. I don't want to be insulting. It would have to be a really smart, well trained pigeon.
Thanks for proving my point. |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 11:51:30 AM
HolyGod-"To me that means to me or my family. If you accidentally shoot yourself with your own gun that doesn't really concern me."
I can understand that. While I consider a boat more complex and dangerous, I am much less worried about a boat in the hands of a lunatic than a gun in the same hand. (though neither is a good thing)
Not to mention, my boat bites. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3062 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 11:02:13 AM
MeGrendel
""So, if you own a gun and a boat, you're more likely to be accidentally killed by the boat."
Cool. I'm with ya there. Not what you said, but now we're on the same page.
You just said "more dangerous" which is MUCH more ambiguous and encompassing than just accidents. To me that means to me or my family. If you accidentally shoot yourself with your own gun that doesn't really concern me.
You have to admit the statement "a boat is many times more dangerous than a gun" taken as is without your additional context is absolutely retarded.
My boat is sitting in my garage posing zero threat to anyone.
My gun is unloaded, with a trigger lock on it, in a safe, which is hidden and I still worry about what could happen if someone got a hold of it that shouldn't. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 10:49:20 AM
HolyGod-"That may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here." *post apple-to-oranges data*
I did not say fewer people were killed with one of the other. I'm talking about inherent danger.
2/3'rds of the gun deaths are suicide. The majority of the rest is intentional homicides.
For that SAME year, ACCIDENTAL deaths by firearms was 606 people.
So, let's run the numbers, shall we.
2010: ~200 million privately owned guns result in 606 deaths. Which means exactly 0.0002% of guns resulted in accidental deaths.
2010: ~13 million privately owned boats result in 672 deaths. Which means exactly 0.0052% of boats resulted in accidental deaths.
So, if you own a gun and a boat, you're more likely to be accidentally killed by the boat. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3062 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 10:22:22 AM
DromEd
"I might as well be playing chess with a pigeon."
I kinda feel like a pigeon would beat you. Don't get me wrong, I don't mean a regular pigeon. I don't want to be insulting. It would have to be a really smart, well trained pigeon. |
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DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
956 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 10:07:44 AM
I might as well be playing chess with a pigeon.
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5332 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 9:22:43 AM
The mentally ill through no fault of their own do as well.
And that's written in your constitution where exactly? I guess it's ok to take their guns as long as nobody wants YOUR guns, right? |
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DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
956 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 9:02:01 AM
Oh Lord not the mental illness argument. Criminals through fault of their own forfeit certain rights in most societies. The mentally ill through no fault of their own do as well.
Your sauce is weak. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
3062 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 8:57:55 AM
DromEd
"Bet you feel all smart with that oh so predictable reply don't you?"
Not at all. I feel all smart with my MENSA membership and multiple degrees. However that has nothing to do with this discussion.
"They are absolute"
No restrictions whatsoever huh? So then prisoners on death row should have the right to bare arms? How about my 4 year old? Should I send her to school with an AK47? Let's give uzis to everyone in the mental hospital. I would never want anyone's rights to be infringed.
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5332 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 8:39:59 AM
we don't have to do anything to exercise our rights because they are absolute.
On paper they are, in practice they aren't. Example: if you have a mental illness you can't own one. Why aren't you playing a violin for the law-abiding people with mental illness? |
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DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
956 Posts
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Monday, February 25, 2013 8:25:31 AM
HG..........I COMPLETELY agree. Remember where that guy made all those inflammatory comments and 20 kindergarteners died?
Bet you feel all smart with that oh so predictable reply don't you?
What many fail to comprehend, likely blinded by their understandable desire to not have unnecessary harm come to others, is we don't have to do anything to exercise our rights because they are absolute.
I don't need a federal speech certificate.
I don't need special dispensation to keep my home for my use only.
I don't need a friend in the judicial system to keep police from searching my home because they just feel like it.
For your argument to hold water we would need all of these things and you, of course, would not attempt to argue that we do.
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