 EVILLECUTTER
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 196 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:36:39 AM
when 3d printers are outlawed, only outlaws will have 3d printers |
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 EgalM
Male, 18-29, Canada
1690 Posts
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Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:10:42 PM
If may become an issue when we figure out to make more durable materials to print with. So far I think it's all plastic, when we get to ceramic and metals, it'll be scarier. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14459 Posts
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Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:35:17 AM
The point is that all the parts to most popular semi-auto guns are easy to get through mail order and you don't need to show any ID to get them.
The receiver is the main part of the gun and that is what the government wants regulated, because it has the main serial number.
Now they want to regulate ammo clips as well.
Both parts can be made with 3D printers thus circumventing any regulation they may try to pass.
Before these 3D printers you would have to have a shop full of machine tools and a lot of machinist experience to make those parts. There is no law saying that you can't create your own gun, for your own personal use. So these machines change the whole debate, because they are so simple anyone can use them. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:16:34 AM
The point is: all the laws in the books won't stop determined, or deranged people from killing others.
McVeigh used a bomb...
Those Japanese guys used Sarin nerve-gas.
Passenger trains have been de-railed by terrorists... |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:11:43 AM
@MacGuffin: A valid point, but that's only because M-16s are so fussy! There's other machineguns that are far more reliable.
Assuming one could (eventually!) make a strong enough chamber & barrel, one could also "print" the shells too. Just need to fill them with powder & primer and you're good to go!
(Well, not quite THAT easy, but close enough!)
Why stop at printing an AR-15? Why not an MG-42 from WW2? Rugged! Reliable! Deadly. |
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 BlackHaze
Male, 18-29, Europe
76 Posts
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Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:18:33 AM
"Could 3D printing revolution render gun control moot? Discuss."
I can decide for myself what to discuss and what not, fuçk you very much. |
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 middlewaytao
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
25 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:21:26 PM
HINT:
5 Years ago: "3D printers" DID NOT exist...
I used them 20 years ago.... |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:33:58 PM
HINT:
5 Years ago: "3D printers" DID NOT exist...
Tell me again how YOU know that the technology won't exist in 5 years time... to make a functioning AR-15? |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:27:24 PM
Not unless you can 3D print propellant for the ammo too.
@MacGuffin: As @Andrew155 ha politely pointed out:
MAKING GUNPOWDER IS dratING EASY!
It's been around for 1000 years! FFS!
ANYONE can make it! At home! It SO EASY!
You're really drunk to think that "propellant" is an issue here...
@FoolsPrussia: No, banning "magazines" is 100% pointless, so WHY do the "gun-grabbers" want to do it so badly? Hummm?
@Keegan31: 5 years ago, if you'd have told me "I can make a 30 round magazine on a 3D printer..." I'd have LAUGHED at you!
Ask me again in 5 years about "making a gun" off a 3D printer... boy.
"Cost X12"
If they're BANNED then "cost" doesn't enter the equasion! Herion is cheap, but "costs" a LOT in the USA (on the "Black Market")... I wonder why?
Oh Right!
"The LAW of supply and demand"!!! |
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SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
458 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:55:06 PM
If the government really wants too, they'll just restrict the sale/ownership of 3D printers too. |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2990 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:53:38 PM
"I don't really believe in "sides" though, I don't feel any sort of attachment to this person. I care about substance and not the sizzle."
Yeah, I suppose I agree and probably shouldn't have used that term. |
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temp4comment
Male, 60-69, Europe
99 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:45:03 PM
FP, no, his name is Cody Wilson and he's smart and well-spoken. Watch youtube.com/watch?v=mFE_6DqpBvU |
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 Keegan31
Male, 18-29, Western US
225 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:38:00 PM
So you 3d printed a box. Woop di do. Show me a 3-d printed gun that:
A. Doesn't blow up in your hands when fired.
&
B. Doesn't cost 12x more to make than simply purchasing one.
Then maybe you'll have a point.
FYI, I'm against the general idea of a gun ban, but this argument is stupid. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1197 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:27:34 PM
FP, yes, he totally thinks he's too cool for school. I don't really believe in "sides" though, I don't feel any sort of attachment to this person. I care about substance and not the sizzle. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1197 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:25:44 PM
I don't really know what you mean by "ammo propellant", but I assume you're talking about gunpowder. It's just that it's ridiculous you would think that regulation of gunpowder - or bullets for that matter - is possible. You can make gunpowder at home, it's really simple.
I don't know what else to say, that wasn't a very pithy point. Technology matures, as it always does. Don't underestimate it. And magazine limits are already bypassed by this. |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2990 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:13:44 PM
3D printing will revolutionize a lot of things, both for the good and the bad. You can download bomb-making instructions online, but it's still illegal in most places here to make a bomb.
Anyway, do you guys at least admit that the guy in the video comes across as a douche and doesn't really do your side much service? |
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 peakingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
576 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:18:53 PM
"to have a debate" Nobody on IAB with opposing views actually has a debate, people just try to contradict one another and gloat their opinion.
No one really cares about understanding the others opinion.
Debate... ha! |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1197 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:46:20 PM
I really wish some of the staunch gun control advocates would post here so there could be a discussion, but they seem to be deliberately avoiding it as they're posting in all the surrounding topics. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17455 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:35:00 PM
"Tastes like Diane Feinstein's lunch." AWESOME!
@auburnjunky: I 100% Agree!~ That line = win! |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1197 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:29:55 PM
It is fascinating, and yes it is opening up a big can of worms. But this was always inevitable with our species advancing technologically.
The implications of this are significant, but nobody will talk about it seriously. Once the technology matures, it's only a matter of time before an entire assault rifle could be printed in your home. |
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 earplay
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
120 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:56:52 PM
A legend in his own mind. |
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 paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1031 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:42:29 PM
Nice. |
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 Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
1580 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:42:03 PM
Talk about opening a can of worms :/ |
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 emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
2894 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:07:53 PM
oooooo, this opens up all sorts of potential debates. I, for one, am on the "lets do it and f uck em all" side of the fence. If you let the government regulate or ban this technology, you may as well hand yourself into a fema camp right now for re-education. |
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Sloppy1
Male, 18-29, Canada
267 Posts
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Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:03:23 PM
MERCA |
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