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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:33:26 PM
5Cats

"Believing there is no God is, in fact, a FORM of belief in God."

Do you believe in Santa? Do you believe in leprechauns? Do you believe in unicorns?

Do you believe that those non-beliefs require their own term? Do you believe your not believing in unicorns is, in fact, a FORM of belief in unicorns?

DJL
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 135 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:15:33 PM
See this before. Got a source?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26334 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30:11 AM
@spannerbulb & @HolyGod: I think both you guys have utterly failed to disrove one word of @CrakrJak's position.

Communism's OFFICIAL "religion" is Atheism! It's a fact.
Religion means "philosophical belief" too, eh? Believing there is no God is, in fact, a FORM of belief in God.

Persecution in the name of Communism is de facto the same as doing it "in the name of Atheism". You're really splitting some fine hairs to pretend they're NOT CONNECTED. Eh?

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:54:32 AM
And another thing crakr, religion has also caused the suffering and death of millions throughout history. I'm surprised that you would present such a flimsy argument.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:52:04 AM
Crakr, you are so far off the mark here it's really quite sad. Organized religion, based on myth and legend, has no place in the modern world. That's not to say there isn't a god like force out there and to discus such things as part of a philosophical look at the wider universe and it's origins is fine. To believe in such a thing as an indisputable fact however borders on insanity.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:59:56 AM
CrakrJak

You are missing the point entirely. Atheism is NOT a belief system. It is the lack of one. Not having a belief system can not influence your actions the way a belief system does.

Atheism doesn't teach anything. It doesn't preach anything. It doesn't promote anything. It doesn't have leaders or instructors. Atheism is nothingness. Nothingness can not cause anything.

Think of it this way, if you are a smoker you might directly get cancer from being a smoker. If You are a non-smoker you may get cancer but it will not be from being a non-smoker.

Saunder
Male, 30-39, Europe
 178 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:04:40 AM
Pretty much the same as a gun manual right? :)

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17301 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:43:16 PM
HG: You've already blinded yourself from the truth. Stalin destroyed churches, arrested priests, sent Jews to the gulags. You're attributing this to his communism, but when Stalin came to power in 1927, he ordered his secret police, under Genrikh Yagoda to intensify persecution of Christians. In the next few years, 50,000 clergy were murdered, many were tortured, including crucifixion.

"A Marxist must be a materialist, i.e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i.e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way" - Vladamir Lenin

But that's all 'circumstantial' in your eyes, otherwise you'd have to mentally confront your own intolerance and bigotry.

liabach
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1678 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:07:19 PM
i think what troubles me the most is that its the same illustrator and graphic designer that creates the emergency pamphlets for the airlines

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:28:01 PM
Here Crakr:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/atheism

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:18:31 PM
Crakr

"No it would not. But you go ahead and keep believing in that commie atheist utopia BS, it's only killed tens of millions of people so far."

First, I'm not in any way commie except when it comes to wanting universal healthcare and a livable wage. I work my ass off, make good money, and have nice things. I have no interest in throwing into a communal pot.

Second of all, people who have been atheists have done horrible things, but they don't do them IN THE NAME of atheism. However there have been tons of people who have done horrible things IN THE NAME of religion. They do it to this very day.

Until you give me ONE example of an atrocity done because someone was an atheist, stop making the argument because it is absolute bulls.hit.

Badenov
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 175 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:07:25 PM
"Stonings can reportedly take between 20 minutes and two hours"...

And fter that they have to go into Sudden Death Overtime!

SunThunder
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 98 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 4:00:52 PM
They used to do Stonings in Saudi, but not sure if they still do. They did the whole; hand cut off thing too. For my opinion I would say either hangings, or those nitrous oxide executions they are planning. Thats if I had to pick one for myself. As for a death penalty, not sure.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17301 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 3:28:56 PM
HG: "Banning church and religion would be awesome. ;)"

No it would not. But you go ahead and keep believing in that commie atheist utopia BS, it's only killed tens of millions of people so far.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26334 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:46:58 PM
@whodat: The blank spot on the bullet is for the atheists, right? Gotta include them too, or they get all pissy!

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:22:02 PM
@HolyGod- a lot of people, whether they are religious or not, are OK with dying because they have visions that help them come to peace with dying. I am a nurse who has worked for years with the elderly, and have spent time with those who are dying. I have worked directly with people who have had visions of dead loved ones in the room with them, or visions of religious figures or angels. In other cases, people feel an indescribable calming and loving presence. This phenomenon is well documented. Now, I'm not saying that this has led me to believe in an afterlife- it has not. Death will remain a mystery to me until the day I die. But beliefs about the afterlife and about God and spirituality are not rooted in mythology alone- the foundation of all religions is ultimately the direct experience of others, be it those who are dying, or those whose visions are induced by entheogenic plants and fungi, fasting, or other altered mental states.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3733 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:28:52 AM


djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:30:49 AM
Like I say I consider myself on "the fence".

I'd like to believe there's something out there but at the same time I have very valid personal reasons to doubt there is.

For these reasons I tend to steer clear of religious debates.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:19:25 AM
djwajda

Ya. No doubt. Or a person on their death bed who is ok with dying because they think they are going to heaven. Those fall into the "ignorance is bliss" category as far as I'm concerned. So I don't PERSONALLY think it is a good thing. However, I get where you are coming from.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:11:51 AM
When it saved my brother's life I'd say that's a good thing. I won't say I like the religion he jumped into at the time but when you're 7 yrs old and you see the change in the person go from a really bad extreme to being happy it tends to give you a good feeling.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:08:46 AM
djwadja

"Well, I've seen enough of both good and bad in religion"

What good have you seen, just out of curiosity?

SavageNation
Male, 40-49, Western US
 187 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:06:09 AM
Islam the religion of peace ..... and they'll bury you up to your neck and stone you to death to prove it.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:06:00 AM
Well, I've seen enough of both good and bad in religion to say that I respectfully disagree. It's definitely not something for everyone to be sure and is most often times taken to the extreme but I think everyone is entitled to whatever it may be they believe in. However the one place I would agree with you 100% @HG is that it should not be imposed on anyone.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:02:05 AM
LordJim

"atheists have committed atrocities in name of atheism"

What? I'm not saying it isn't the case, but I've never heard of anything being done openly in the name of atheism the way it is in the name of religion.

"Atheist are not morally better than other people"

Absolutely not. I have never said that. Being an atheist does NOT make you morally superior, except that when you do good it is because YOU want to do good, not because you are trying to get a reward (heaven) or avoid punishment (hell). Being an atheist simply makes you intellectually superior, at least in one regard.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:57:55 AM
djwajda

"Each religion has it's good and bad in my view and I tend not to even attempt to argue about it with anyone."

I would argue no religion has any good, unless you say that the belief in things that don't exist makes people feel better in a "ignorance is bliss" kind of way. However, I don't think ignorance is ever the best choice no matter how dark the truth may seem, except maybe with a child.

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