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The American Health Care Mess [Pic]

Hits: 14338 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Squrlz4Sale
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:07:32 PM
In Canada, Germany, Austria and Norway, babies below a certain weight are considered 'unsalvageable', which means they are never considered 'alive'. Thus the high mortality rate of underweight babies does not get counted for these countries.

Incorrect. At least for Canada. Canada defines a live birth as the complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of a product of conception, irrespective of the duration of the pregnancy, which, after such separation, breathes or shows any other evidence of life, such as beating of the heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached.

Statistics Canada. 2011. Births 2008, catalogue no. 84F0210X.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3645 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:57:09 PM
klaxor-"That's if you have insurance"

Incorrect.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2453 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:49:39 PM
However, we should all take a long thought about the entire Western World currently being crushed by the expenditures of its Social Industrial Complex that it can no longer afford. This is universal across nearly every Western country. Decline is already here, in all of the countries. And the grass is not greener in Europe, as is commonly thought.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2453 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:46:19 PM
Tekinette, just because you hear the United States is a pure Capitalist country doesn't make it true. Our system is full of government, and the way the government is involved is woefully inefficient. Taxes are not low, contrary to popular belief. If you are rich and live in California, you may pay over 60% to the government, unless you have connections.

Also, the infant mortality rate is incorrect here.

One part of this graphic is misleading in that it compares data items that might not be equal - like the cost of a procedure in different countries. I can't believe they would compare the cost in the US to that of India. Would you want that procedure done in India?

But on top of it all, Obamacare will make this worse. I am actually getting booted off of my old insurance and forced to pay an Obamacare fine just for existing, I think about 2k. It is estimated to cost over a trillion in 10 years, with constant upward revisions.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3344 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:31:43 PM
I don't pay anything for healthcare, not even a copay for visits or prescriptions thanks to the VA.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:53:41 PM

United States of America
Leader of the Free World

Behind other nations in education, public transportation, safety, general liberties, and national health.

Ya know what the call a Leader with no followers?
Just a man takin a walk.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:40:50 PM
How about this: we deny highway funding to states who ban cross state insurance. This will deny domestic insurers control of the markets.
In addition:
-End the tax credit for employer provided plans
-Make additional restrictions to who qualifies for MediCare

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:29:49 PM
Bankruptcy stats according to warped metrics. DoJ says no more than 10% involve anything above $5000 and yes they include debt charged to credit cards.

avail9988
Male, 18-29, Australia
 676 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:26:29 PM
Australia: Free, I have never paid one cent for health care in my entire life (except dental that poo is expensive) and I have been to hospital 11 times..

klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 647 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:24:30 PM
"It's really nice to be able to get into an MRI in hours,"
- That's if you have insurance

Also, the high cost of medical care is in no small part linked to the high cost of education. Kind of a catch-22, the entire system is built to screw us over.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3645 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:54:58 PM
The infant mortality rate is bogus, too. It's skewed due to the different definitions of 'alive'.

In Canada, Germany, Austria and Norway, babies below a certain weight are considered 'unsalvageable', which means they are never considered 'alive'. Thus the high mortality rate of underweight babies does not get counted for these countries.

The US, however, considers ANY child born breathing a live birth.

And low-weight babies have a MUCH higher chance of survival in the US.

Norway boasts one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. But when the main determinant of mortality — weight at birth — is factored in, Norway has no better survival rates than the United States.

Also, I rather enjoy not having to wait 3-8 months for hip or knee replacement. It's really nice to be able to get into an MRI in hours, rather than the average weeks or months for Canada.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10233 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:45:52 PM
In Hong Kong, public hospitals (super advanced, no wait) cost a maximum of $12 a day, unless you're poor, then they're free... or unless you're not a resident, then you're sent to private practice.

Radiotherapy, chemo and in-patient? $12
MRI and surgery for ruptured vertebral disc? $12
Emergency service, chest x-rays, blood tests? $12
Prescription for expensive drugs? $12*

*Unless you already paid $12 for treatment, then it's free.

Poor? Free
Unemployed/underemployed? Free
Over 65? Free

Wayoldman
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 65 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:47:59 PM
Darkmagic14n I don't know what planet you live on, but I have turned over to several collection agencies harassed threaten and sued for nonpayment of medical bills a lot of time. Before you say AH a deadbeat. I'm on disability Medicare and can't get insurance due to preexisting illness and I am a U.S. born white citizen!

Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2241 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:00:31 PM
just shows how disgusting pure capitalism can be.

Tekinette, show me this "pure capitalism" in the USA of which you speak. Seems like an awful lot of cronyism in this "pure capitalism."

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3158 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:30:07 PM
"Or you could you know find out why it costs so damn much and fix that"

I believe that's what Squrlz's post is suggesting....

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:02:25 PM
Or you could you know find out why it costs so damn much and fix that oh but then the insurance companies won't get to screw us with an oligarchy.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:01:47 PM
and yeah, apparently if you leave img tag open, it breaks IAB comment section

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:00:41 PM
then people won't have to file bankruptcy when they have major medical problems.


thanks for admitting you know nothing about anything.

in the US, you cannot be "gone after" (sued, harassed, etc) for medical debt.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:55:50 PM
"So make everyone get health insurance that's sure to fix the problem"

That is the plan, then people won't have to file bankruptcy when they have major medical problems. I think medical bankruptcy is one of the biggest reasons health care is so expensive in the US. It is completely irresponsible not to have health insurance. Without it people can be a major drain on society.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:52:00 PM
liberal garbage. one of the first graphs proves this whole thing irrelevant. it doesn't matter how much a country spends on healthcare, life expectancy has little to do with healthcare.

protip: US is the LEADER in ALL medicine in the world and the shortest wait
markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:48:56 PM
Anual health care cost per person is $8K and above for the US???? Where are they getting that number? I get my health insurance myself (the vendor company I work for does not supply this). I spend $3K a YEAR on insurance. Someone younger can get insurance for probably half that. Oh wait, are they talking about how much we actually spend on health care, not about insurance?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:47:19 PM
So make everyone get health insurance that's sure to fix the problem........

Tekinette
Male, 18-29, Europe
 265 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:44:39 PM
Yup the US is the last place I would like to be sick in, health is a busisness over there, just shows how disgusting pure capitalism can be.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5982 Posts
Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:23:09 PM
Link: The American Health Care Mess [Pic] [Rate Link] - It's a great system for the executives raking it in at the top. Everyone else? Not so much.

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