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Angry Lady Vs Skateboarders

Hits: 9860 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: Misc. | Added by: kitteh9lives
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CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:54:11 AM
@Gerry: i'm not necessarily defending the skaters, both were in the wrong. but the lady was much more in the wrong. disrespectful throughout despite the kids trying to be nice (nicer) about it. theft of his property, because in her mind her crime is okay but theirs is not. and almost the entire time the kids tried to resolve it peacefully while she escalated the situation over and over until the kids had to reclaim their property. if she was smart she would call the cops prior to approaching them, in fact let the cops handle the whole situation. and then to be an idiot after it is all said and done and try to run after kids in a parking lot, trip and fall and bust her own face due to her own misjudgement and mishandling of the situation. she clearly just tried to bully her way through it rather than be smart about it. next time she will know better.

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 993 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:50:55 AM
"Attempting to obtain your own property without laying a hand on me is not assault."

Never said it was. I said laying hands, unwanted touching, etc., was simple assault.

"That's not your decision to make. You have no clue what value any item may hold to a person."

Nor is it yours. Plus your citation (which used the word MAY include) says value. Not perceived value, emotional value, or anything else. Taken in its plain reading (even though you didn't cite a law) that would mean monetary value.

Even so, "To prove a false imprisonment claim in a civil lawsuit, the following elements must be present:

There must have been a willful detention;

The detention must have been without consent; and

The detention was unlawful."

Since we don't know where this occurred, the detention may have been lawful so it really doesn't make sense to argue it any further since she could have been totally leg

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1971 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:49:44 AM
The skateboarders should have called the police.And that's how the story should've ended.

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:46:58 AM
@nettech98: "No it's called mislaid property and you're supposed to make an effort to return it to the owner"

so we agree that she was in the wrong for not making an effort to return the it to the owner

"Or leave the property when asked to do so."

they said gives us back the board and they would leave. she refused to return his property and they politely said they would leave upon its return

"In some (most?) places that can be true. It falls under joyriding"

interesting, i wonder how much this is actually charged instead of GTA, seems like the "thief" could just say he was going to return it and get this lesser charge. doubtful though.

"is a skateboard "something of value" "

skateboards are fairly expensive, most decent ones are $100+

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2651 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:43:08 AM
lol yeah gerry... my dad would have gone nuts but it would have been my mum who dragged me back to the house to apologies for what I'd done.

mustacatal
Male, 18-29, Europe
 8 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:42:47 AM
That retarded lady deserved it! Nothing wrong about skaters. I hope her chin is broken :D

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:34:54 AM

"If my kids were rude to people like this... "

Listypoos, you mean like we were when we were kids?
LOL, and yes, if my dad caught me I'd have been unable to sit for a while.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:33:01 AM
we were specifically discussing the assault aspect of the act.

And I also didn't say that I grabbed your cell phone from your person, I just said I grabbed it. Could have been on the roof of your car, or on a table in your house. Attempting to obtain your own property without laying a hand on me is not assault.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:30:07 AM
As for your argument, is a skateboard "something of value" sufficient to keep you from leaving? Especially when you have everything on film? I don't think so...

That's not your decision to make. You have no clue what value any item may hold to a person. Regardless, they DID think it was valuable so it indeed was false imprisonment. As for your assertion that they did the same to her, it is a possibility, but since their only intent was to get the illegally obtained board back so they could leave, I doubt any court would find them guilty of false imprisonment.

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 993 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:28:09 AM
@patch: we were specifically discussing the assault aspect of the act. Myabe you're having trouble following...

If you take something forcibly from my person it certainly is different from taking it off the ground in front of me in the context of whether an assault was committed.

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 993 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:26:03 AM
Right back at you: "False imprisonment is a restraint of a person in a bounded area without justification or consent"

Kinda like what they almost did when they had her cornered and blocking her way forward or back?

As for your argument, is a skateboard "something of value" sufficient to keep you from leaving? Especially when you have everything on film? I don't think so...

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:25:46 AM
It was on the ground. Huge difference.

HAHAHA! You MUST be trolling. So taking someone else's property from the ground IMMEDIATELY after the kid bailed to avoid running over the woman is somehow different than taking it right from their hands? I'm glad you're not my lawyer.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2651 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:23:49 AM
"Some of you are defending the kids right to do as they damn well please on other peoples property. "

tbh I can't get my head round that either Gerry.... they were asked to leave her property and refused, and yet there's been at least one person here saying they should have drated her up.

For what? not letting a couple of brats do as they please on her property?

If my kids were rude to people like this it'd be a while before they experienced fresh air outside of school hours for at least a month.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:23:17 AM
@Gerry: I haven't defended the kids' initial actions at all. They were indeed trespassing and should have left. However, you cannot break the law or take it into your own hands when not in a legal position to do so. Laws are laws.

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 993 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:21:45 AM
So if I grab your cell phone and you try to grab it back I can charge you with assault? lol.

We can go down theoretical roads all day. She didn't grab the board FROM the kid. It was on the ground. Huge difference. They grabbed the board FROM her. Whether she had a right to possess it or not.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:20:51 AM
Furthermore, a quick definition of false imprisonment says that:
"Examples of false imprisonment may include:
-A person holding something of value to another person with the intent to make the person stay in a certain place, and without consent of the person whose valuables are being held"

h4krChik
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 86 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:20:33 AM
Those dudes are f ucking DICKS.

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 993 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:19:06 AM
@Coyote: "so if someone drops their wallet or phone on my property i can hold it indefinitely "

No it's called mislaid property and you're supposed to make an effort to return it to the owner.

"what he could have done if he was smart was hold onto the board " Or leave the property when asked to do so.

"so if i steal a car but plan to return it then its no longer theft? " In some (most?) places that can be true. It falls under joyriding:

"Joyriding is the crime of operating another person’s vehicle, including a car, bicycle, boat, or motorcycle, without permission from the owner. Joyriding differs slightly from the crime of auto theft because the perpetrator of joyriding does not generally intend on taking the vehicle permanently. Joyriding is a criminal offense that is punishable in a court of law."

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:18:30 AM

Some of you are defending the kids right to do as they damn well please on other peoples property.

From now on I am labeling this "Cartman Syndrome".

The mentality that says "I don't care I do what I want" until they're disrespected then they switch to "Respect my Authoritay" attitude.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:15:43 AM
@nettech: So if I grab your cell phone and you try to grab it back I can charge you with assault? lol.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2651 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:15:27 AM
"so if i steal a car but plan to return it then its no longer theft?"

no, in the UK it's not... it's a twoc. Taking without consent. like joyriding isn't strictly a theft under uk law.

my stepdad used to be a copper (police) here in the uk and he still uses the phrase 'twocking' when he sees joyriders on the tv.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:13:28 AM
@nettech: It didn't take me long to find definition of theft in Arizona that defines it as "Controls property of another with the intent to deprive the other person of such property"

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 993 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:12:37 AM
@patchgrabber: You keep offering opinions on legal terms. For example, while varying from state to state, here is the general concept:

"Simple assault can be distinguished without the intent of injury upon another person. The violation of one's personal space or touching in a way the victim deemed inappropriate can be simple assault."

furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 577 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:12:05 AM
I don't think she should've taken the board, but the kids did take it to far.

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:08:38 AM
seeing this though, i understand why there are so many shootings. i cant condone shooting but i would thorougly understand if one of these kids got shot..

i mean, she politely asks em not to do it, they do it still and then they feel that they shouldnt be held acountable for their actions?

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