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FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3165 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:31:24 PM
Hitler's religious beliefs are pretty complicated. He made a lot of contradictory statements about Christianity. Wikipedia has a decent summary.

Really, his views on Christianity just sum up the overall contradictory nature of Hitler.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:56:17 PM
As for the Norse mythology, Thor's hammer (Mjolnir) in flight is the swastika symbol. The Thurmuth Sword as well as iron age German artifacts have swastikas on them.

Hitler knew this symbolism and used it.

It's still being used by aryan supremacist groups in that regard.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:31:12 PM
markust: From your own source, "The historical record clearly shows that Hitler, in both word and deed, repudiated the faith of his baptism, so Hitler's 'Catholicism' is a non-issue."

A few quotes:
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

Hitler did not want to be confirmed, but his mother (who was devout) forced him. According to Catholic law one must come willing be confirmed, not forced. Thus his supposed 'confirmation' in 1904 at age 15 was not valid.

Perhaps if you had done some further research, maybe even talked to a few theologians about it, you would've realized that he was never really 'confirmed' and didn't attend mass but few times.

That does not make him a Catholic, let alone a Christian.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3165 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:42:04 PM
The wackier occult stuff was more Himmler than Hitler. Hitler appreciated the aesthetic symbolism of a lot of it because he realized the power it held, but he found Himmler's obsession with the occult a bit wacky and only tolerated it to a certain degree. Himmler was the one who would consult astrologers regularly and send explorers on wacky expeditions looking for the mystical roots of aryanism.

Hitler considered himself more of a Christian, but so did Torquemada (and so does Fred Phelps).

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3349 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:30:19 PM
@NNoamfer - They're probably one of the best hardcore/metal bands to come out of the Hudson Valley in NY where I'm originally from. I've known them for many years since I got involved in the scene when I moved back to NY.

Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1453 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:41:04 PM
markust123 I think I remember starting a sentence with "and" is acceptable as long as it makes sense or something like that. And when it comes down to it, yes there are proper rules but it is just etiquette not the bible.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3059 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:39:52 PM

HAHA! Flame bait poo post is garbage. At least it will piss off a few christian dickheads.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2203 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:30:52 PM
It takes religion to make a good man do evil things. Very simple.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:26:25 PM
@whodat6484, good song.

Kilgore89
Male, 18-29, Canada
 194 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:01:23 PM
"On the belt buckle of every Nazi soldier were the words GOTT MIT UNS which means "God with Us.""

Yes and on American money it says "In God we Trust". Christian slogans on both Nazi and American money therefore America is ACTUALLY a Nazi Republic.

That is pretty much the same level of argument you just made.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3349 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:32:16 AM



Two Thousand Years

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:04:25 AM
Completely off topic. I tend to catch myself using 'and' at the beginning of a sentence. I try to get them out but some get through. Since it really is a conjunction (thank you School House Rock) is it ever allowed to use 'and' at the beginning of a sentence?

banur
Male, 18-29, Europe
 250 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:01:05 AM
TheGuySmiley: Atheists say that these folks weren't killing in the name of atheism.

And that is the point. They are not killing in the name of atheism. The parties in the crusades were killing in the name of their religions, but if someone kills today he is most likely not killing in the name of his religion if he has one.
Atheists can kill in it's name but it isn't likely as atheism is nothing active.
It is like comparing killings on the basis of car owners vs. non car owners and blaming the fact that people did or didn't own a car as the driving (duh - no pun) criteria for their killings. Yes, for some that might be the cause but not for the majority.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:47:26 AM
If you want a more Catholic source here you go, "Adolf Hitler was confirmed in 1904, but did not often attend Mass."

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:45:24 AM
"Hitler was never confirmed into the Catholic church."

Seriously, where are you getting your misinformation? This is from the same source I listed below, "He was confirmed on 22 May 1904, and also sang in the choir at the monastery." Is this going to be the day that you finally admit that you are wrong about something?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:39:18 AM
Really, after this long you don't think I did my own research on it CrakrJak? That is why I asked. Although my research was just as lazy as yours (Wikipedia). The word Norse is not mention. As far as your Astrology claim there was only one mention, "Hitler had no interest in astrology." So far you were 0 for 2. There is only one mention of Paganism and that is through his contact to Lanz von Liebenfels. So 0 for 3. But there are 23 mentions of Catholic (after removing the ones listed in the sources). And what is mentioned makes it pretty clear he was a Catholic to his death, although not a very good one. 0 for 4 is why I asked for a source.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2121 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:32:58 AM
But he was a Christian and did believe in God though right Crakr? He did say so himself in his book and during speeches...he just didn't recognise many of the jewish origins.

How does him believing in God..even if not confirmed into the catholic church (although being brought up as one as a child) - how does that make him an atheist?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:20:54 AM
SheaSF: Hitler was never confirmed into the Catholic church. Being baptized at birth doesn't get you into the church, you have to be confirmed and Adolf didn't do so. You can't excommunicate someone whose not been confirmed.

SheaSF
Male, 40-49, Western US
 97 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:20:05 AM
Sorry the truth is such a wet blanket. Fine. I'll leave you to go back to you make believe.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:18:08 AM
markust: Do your own research on it. Most of the time when I do it you reject it out of hand.

But to get you going, Try Here first.

SheaSF
Male, 40-49, Western US
 97 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:17:25 AM
Why didn't the Catholic Church excommunicate Adolf Hitler? They excommunicated Joseph Goebbels, not for his crimes, but for marrying a Protestant. Hitler was his best man.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:15:57 AM
"Hitler wasn't Catholic, he was into paganism, astrology, and Norse mythology."

We're going to need a source on this, and one that does not include the words Glenn or Beck.

Yahweh
Male, 70 & Over, Western US
 6 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:15:12 AM
Look, I apologize for everything that was done in my name, but honestly, you people did it to yourselves. I didn't do it. Men wrote the Bible, not I. And you all know how men tell lies. What I say to you is always misunderstood and misinterpreted, so why should I say anything?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16155 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:12:54 AM
SheaSF: And where is your bridge so you may slither back under it?

SheaSF
Male, 40-49, Western US
 97 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:12:52 AM
I'm not a troll. You clearly haven't read the Bible. It is clear from the writings of Paul that god expects us to keep slaves and he even gives advice on how slaves should behave. And did the god of the Old Testament not mean it all the times he commanded the Israelites to kill the women and children and infants of their foes (saving the virgin girls, for what we can only imagine). Not a troll, just informed. Hitler never left the church, and it's where he got his hatred of the Jews.

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