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UDUMASS
Male, 30-39, Canada
 61 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:18:03 PM
Troll picture is a troll...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16905 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:01:48 AM
Listypoos: Saying you are part of a group doesn't make it true. I could say that I was a Mason, but since I've never joined them or attended a single meeting it'd be a lie.

Hitler motivated millions of Germans with lies, saying he was Catholic/Christian was just one of many. Saying that it motivated his hatred of Jews was an even bigger lie.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2570 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:16:55 AM
"You just spin spin your way out of everything. This is why you drive people so crazy but then again you know that because you do it on purpose to get a rise out of people. I really have never had less respect for a person."

Couldn't agree more Markust... it's like trying to reason with a rather thick, right-wing chimp.


Crackr, it doesn't matter one drating bit whether you think he was a Christian to your standards or not... by his own admission he believed he was one and is quoted as saying it was part of his motivation for some of the things he did.

Which part of that is it that you're having a hard time understanding?


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13243 Posts
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:09:42 AM


Gee you're right though guys look at all those Christians blowing themselves up for jesus snackbar.....

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3617 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 10:37:26 PM


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16905 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 10:34:46 PM
Sorry, but I'm not stupid. I've researched subjects like this at length and still do.

Now why don't you go on now and tell me how Stalin was Greek Orthodox, even though he was expelled from the seminary in Tbilisi and became atheist.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16905 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 10:26:20 PM
markust: I knew about Hitler's supposed 'confirmation' at age 15. I've also watched a bit of EWTN (Catholic TV), over the years, and a Msgr. theologian explained exactly why his 'confirmation' was never valid, thus why he was not excommunicated.

So, I trust their reasoning that he wasn't validly confirmed or a member of the Catholic church.

It takes more than going through the motions and rituals to be a Christian, it takes a willing leap of faith. Both Hitler's words and deeds contradicted Christian teaching and faith.

Also, as usual I caught you trying to post links to prove your point only to find contrary information within, that you either didn't read or hoped wouldn't be noticed.

In short, you are driving yourself crazy. Sometimes through lackadaisical research, sometimes through willful omission and other times just because you refuse to understand (stubbornness).

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 7:44:35 PM
Crakrjak, "From your own source, "The historical record clearly shows that Hitler, in both word and deed, repudiated the faith of his baptism, so Hitler's 'Catholicism' is a non-issue."

I guess that was the answer to my question, "Is this going to be the day that you finally admit that you are wrong about something?"

Here is what you said, "Hitler was never confirmed into the Catholic church." I proved you completely wrong using two sources, one being a Catholic source. You can't ever admit you are wrong even when the proof is right in front of you. You just spin spin your way out of everything. This is why you drive people so crazy but then again you know that because you do it on purpose to get a rise out of people. I really have never had less respect for a person.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3316 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 2:48:00 PM
@papajon0s1 -- well said!

I'm not Catholic (protestant). It is refreshing to meet people who can do such selfless acts of kindness though. God Bless.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5691 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 11:20:42 AM
I definitely read these threads for the lulz. Any conversation about religion that has nazism introduced into it automatically devolves into questions concerning Hitler's religious views with no end in sight. I think I should make that a law, Patch's Law.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 569 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 9:49:44 AM
Seriously, you post this and then intimate that I should wonder who are the haters now? If this is what you think the Catholic church is now then you have made a gross miscalculation. The church is not the poor actions of some of it's priests and leaders. Long ago the institutions of hate and force have been purged. We do not tolerate those evil actions from people claiming to be of Christ. It's the never ending search to go from wherever we are one step closer to God. That means charity, generosity, caring, sharing, living a life in service to others among other good works. I spent 5 hours yesterday volunteering at a Catholic group sponsored sports and academic contest for children. I didn't spend 5 hours planning the latest attack on innocent civilians. While I find the unstated but clearly intended slant on my faith in this graphic highly offensive, it gives me a grand opportunity to practice one of the highest forms of Christianity; forgiveness.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16905 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 7:02:10 AM
Listypoos: You should already know that what a politician says in public is not always what is in his heart.

Some of the first Jews Hitler sent to the camps were Catholic converts. Racial cleansing wasn't about religion to him, it was about eugenics.

If he could use some people's religious prejudice to further his goals, then he would cater to that. Similarly he used other people's prejudices against immigrants, the rich, monarchs, communists, etc... He knew how to manipulate a crowd and was very persuasive.

kvetcher
Male, 50-59, Europe
 165 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 5:24:49 AM
Seriously, though, a lot of these Hitler quotes seem a bit apocryphal (Greek for made-up). The Nazis' relation to Christianity was complex. I think the Pope was probably a good judge of who was a Catholic, and the 1937 encyclical "Mit brennender Sorge" (with burning sorrow - in German, not the usual Latin) condemned the Nazis as Neo-pagans. The Nazis' reaction was over the top - Wiki it.
(2) No-one's yet mentioned the origin of the Nazi salute - right arm straight up in the air. When the Germanic tribes converted en masse to Christianity, they were baptised in a river. The bishop blessed the river and everyone totally submerged themselves - except the warriors who kept their sword-arms straight up out of the water.
(3)This is Alan Bullock, in his great biography of Hitler: "In Hitler's eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves.. Its teaching was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle.. the systematic cultivation of human failure.&

kvetcher
Male, 50-59, Europe
 165 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 5:05:46 AM
@ Markust
A very old joke from my schooldays. We used to have double English - Language first, then Literature, same teacher. So one day he's on about never starting a sentence with and, total fail in any exam...etc. Bell rings. "Now, boys, one of the greatest poems in the English language - "Jerusalem" by William Blake. (Recites) "And did those feet...."

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2570 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 3:24:37 AM
Here's another

""My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."


Again... what part of that Hitler quote is it that makes you think he didn't believe in the Christian god?

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2570 Posts
Monday, February 18, 2013 3:24:27 AM

Crackr, "A few quotes:
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941."


Here's a few for you


"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."


what part of that do you think shows he wasn't a christian and wasn't motivated by a twisted view of the bible? It may be a twisted view, but he was a christian.... like fred phelps...he may be a nutter and a lot of other christians disagree with him, but they wouldn't call him an atheist because of it, nor deny he believed in a christian god.




CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16905 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:14:59 PM
randomxnp: It's true, eugenicists never went away, they just changed the names of their organizations.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1193 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:18:57 PM
CrakrJak

Don't forget that eugenics was specifically developed by American "progressives", whose ideological descendants now run the increasingly lunatic left-wing Democrat Party.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1193 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:17:25 PM
Given the millions dying every year from avoidable malaria, almost all Africans and so identifiable as a genetically distinct racial group (learn what genocide actually means, you idiot), environmentalism is the greatest genocide in history. With the myth of man-made global warming affecting development in Africa this is only getting worse.

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 299 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:55:21 AM
funny enough, both symbols can mean something positive and something negative..

dont you just love how people give meaning to things based on their personal standing.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16905 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 5:32:06 AM
SheaSF: Hitler did NOT get his anti-antisemitism from the Catholic church. He got it from eugenics pamphlets that were being circulated in Germany at the time. Unfortunately the seeds of eugenics started in America which spread internationally to a man named Ernst Rudin whom spread the doctrine of 'racial cleansing' in Germany after WWI.

3002-3038
Female, 18-29, Western US
 609 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:17:35 AM
Hitler actually took the swastika from jainism...

SheaSF
Male, 40-49, Western US
 98 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:24:36 AM
FoolsPrussia, you are absolutely right. Hitler was privately critical of the church, but that doesn't changed the facts. His antisemitism was taught from the pulpit of the Catholic Church every Easter that the Jews demanded the blood of Jesus be upon their heads (Matthew 27:25). A practice that had been going on for nearly 2000 years; a practice the church has repeated apologized for since the Holocaust. Whether Hitler practiced his faith, or not, it was his inspiration.

SheaSF
Male, 40-49, Western US
 98 Posts
Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:06:41 AM
@Kilgore89: No silly. My saying that Nazi soldiers wore belt buckles with the slogan 'God with Us' and your pointing out that the U.S. Dollar displays the words 'In God We Trust' says that both profess faith in God. Did you even read the sentences you wrote?

The use of Christian slogans on money leads to Nazism is "pretty much the same level of argument you just made."

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10227 Posts
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:26:09 PM
Okay people belief in God is NECESSARY to be Christian but it isn't SUFFICIENT. Hitler DID believe in God, even while thoroughly demonstrating his hate for Christianity throughout his reign. He was Christian nor Atheist.

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