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Texas Teen Sues Parents Over Forced Abortion

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Limiteded
Male, 30-39, Western US
 112 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:34:45 AM
I'm not saying the mother should have the decision. I'm saying she has the decision regardless of whether or not she should.

I could not agree with you more... Is it fair that mom and dad have no say in raising their minor daughter? I would be hard-pressed to think otherwise.

At the same time, does the fact that the minor now resides with grandma and grandpa, who I imagine took her in and will likely be footing the bill now, sway your opinion in this particular case at all, Gerry?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:29:52 AM
@Gerry: Those situations don't really compare. The first two deal with serious risk of harm if nothing's done, and the last isn't an invasive medical procedure. There is no fine line I guess, each situation may have to be judged individually.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:11:48 AM

For those who think it's the child's decision...

How many adult-medical decisions will you let her make? If she had cancer would you let her refuse treatment her parents had ordered? Would you let her refuse surgery? How about using birth control? If her parents wanted her on the pill can she refuse and make her parents pay for her medical costs while pregnant? {they're are responsible for her medical bills}.

How far do you let this child pretend she's an adult?

indisguise
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 267 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:08:31 AM
I'm right in the middle on this one. I'm prochoice - but the choice belongs to the person getting the procedure. Her parents should not be able to force her to get one. Neither should they be forced to raise their grandchild for her. She wants to be a mommy, she should go move in with the baby daddy (and likely his family) or get a place of her own and get a job to support herself and her kid. But she shouldn't expect to continue living with her parents like business as usual. Others have mentioned her parents probably paid for the car and phone, so they are well within their rights to take them away. I wonder if the parents can file to emancipate themselves from her?
This is what comes from restricting access to birth control and sex ed. My own parents were quite clear on the subject - if I got pregnant, I was raising and paying for the baby, not them. When I told them I wanted birth control, they made the appointment and hooked me up.

Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1462 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:50:46 AM
What is funny is that it doesn't really matter if the child comes to term. It isn't about her baby or even her. It's about her parents nearly breaking the law. But every one is going to make this about babies. Just another unrelated nearly related arena in which people get to spout their rhetoric. I wonder if there is a fund raiser set up I wouldn't mind kicking in for a thing of diapers.

Limiteded
Male, 30-39, Western US
 112 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:49:27 AM
Indeed. Legally, the decision to carry the child or to abort will be rest with the mother either way. The real issue here is the parents using coercive measures and underhanded tactics to force an abortion on this girl.

The mother is already living with her grandparents, so I would assume that they have already cut off financial support.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4610 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:40:13 AM
McThstlpnts

You say you are on the girl's side but that she needs to 'pay the price'. How does that work? She needs to be punished, deprived of support or just have her nose rubbed in it?

If that is being on her side she is in big trouble.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4610 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:35:05 AM
Damn, forcing someone to have an abortion is fecking evil. And those calling her a slut or whore, well I assume you saved your precious virtue until marriage. No? Hypocrites then. A 16 year old had sex? Shock horror, stone the slut.

Sex ed and easily available free contraception would be a start, but for some reason I don't begin to understand there seems to be a lot of opposition to that in the US, mainly from pro-life hollier-then-thou right-wingers.

Let's see a few 'pro-life' rally round to offer support.

In pro-choice the key word is 'choice'.

McThstlpnts
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1494 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:29:28 AM
I am honestly surprised the girl wants to keep the baby. I am on the girl's side...however, who is going to pay this lawyer? Parents have "taken her phone and car"...they have every right to do so. She has made the decision to be an adult so she better grow the hell up and take some responsibility. Her parents should not have to financially support her and her baby. If she thought she was old enough to do the deed then she needs to pay the price for her actions.

TuckFarted
Female, 18-29, Europe
 87 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 10:07:00 AM
It's her decision, not her parents'
She will have to find a job & take care of it..it has been done many times so I don't get how these twonks decided they needed to force her to abort the baby.
I'm not a pro-life nut, but abortion should only be considered when a woman has been raped or when there are multiple SEVERE genetic disabilities at play.

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1962 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:13:31 AM
Considering the pregnant child's parents mentality and the girl's lack of good sense- Abortion can only make America a better place.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:48:10 AM

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4598 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:39:11 AM
Teens have sex. The best thing we can do is increase sex-ed in schools and make birth control easily accessible. If a teen wants to have sex, at least make sure they know what they are getting into and are well prepared.

As for the pregnancy, you can't undo it. Killing the baby as a deterrent to others is just plain animalistic. If she wants to raise the child, let her. If she can't handle it, she can put it up for adoption.

The whole situation sucks, but killing the baby is certainly not the solution.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1581 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:33:13 AM
There certainly are a lot worse things than a 16 year old having a baby. If it's cared for and loved by two industrious parents things will work out. If grandpa just takes a chill pill he'll probably come around and come to accept things.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:50:11 AM

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5798 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:45:18 AM
This is interesting because it turns the 'pro-choice' argument on its head. I 'hope' it shows the issues with bad sex-ed, bad parental communication and bad access to contraceptive services. If you want to reduce abortion rates then free contraception, good sex-ed, good access to health services are proven to work. If you want to stop teen pregnancies then you need free and easy contraception, good sex ed, good access to health services. All teenagers should have free contraception available without needing their parents consent- because things like this show how things can go awry. Teenagers are walking hormones and they are incapable of making good decisions because of their brains development, you cannot rely on upbringing to get them to abstain- even grown adults get 'caught up in the moment' - you cannot expect a 16yr old to behave sensibly. I like the depo jab, in their sleep if needs be!!!!

Zieveraar
Male, 30-39, Europe
 403 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:23:30 AM
There's no way that any girl/woman should ever be forced to have an abortion. Ever. All involved need to man up and take responsibility. If the girl doesn't want an abortion and wants to raise the kid, then it should be so. No matter how hard it's going to be for her.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:21:35 AM
Wow. After reading some of these comments I feel the need to go over to my parents house and give them both a big hug and thank you. How sad to read some of this on Valentine's Day no less.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3418 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:19:49 AM
Damn.. pro-choice people get plumb vicious when someone "chooses" to keep their child. You asshats know nothing about this person, yet you label her a slut, whore, and whatever else.

I swear.. you all need to really evaluate yourselves.

Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
 2098 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 7:00:42 AM
Okay, so (to the parents of this little slut) don't make her get an abortion, just disown her ass and kick her out of your house and don't give her or her kid anything ever. (Leave that to the government.) Harsh? maybe but how else will that little mean person ever learn... anything?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:37:22 AM

Crakr, Fetus Rights is the one thing we've always agreed on. But the reality is that abortion is legal {for now} so while it is, I think the parents have the legal right to make the decision. Morally, I'd say they were totally bankrupt, but legally, it's theirs to make.

We expect parents to parent, and when they do we strip their authority away. Okay, this may be a rather extreme example of parental rights, but the point is the same. "You can't spank a child" "you can't discipline them! you'll squash their creativity" "You must medicate your son for ADHD because he was acting like a boy"

r66tramp
Male, 40-49, Canada
 678 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:22:57 AM
I think mom and dad will pay her legal fees? Who else? The state?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 6:05:50 AM
@5cats: You are indeed correct, although the parents do have legal say over their daughter, that doesn't mean they can force her to have a medical procedure. She has to ask their permission if she wants one, but she doesn't need their permission to keep it. I'm on the kid's side on this all the way. I may think it's a stupid decision, but that's why I'm pro-CHOICE (not pro-abortion @Crakr).

Dragonace
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 298 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:58:17 AM
To all of you people who think that adoption is a better option. Please do some research and look at how over crowded and underfunded the American DFACS system is. Very few kids who are put up for adoption actually ever get adopted, especially for minority children. Many of them end up aging out of the system and end up having tons of psychological problems because of it. Adoption is not always a better option. Besides who are we to say that a life of misery is better than no life at all? How do we know what comes before and after life as we know it?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:52:42 AM
While you're at it tie the hoes tubes she obviously can't understand the concept of contraceptives.

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