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Biden Admits Gun Measures Will Fail

Hits: 13954 | Rating: (2.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: dognose82
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turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3406 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 10:03:49 AM

"Why do you have a right to a machine gun but not a right to a nuclear weapon? Have your rights been compromised? Or could it be that giving military grade weapons to civilians is just plain stupid?"

Machine guns are not legal in America.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 10:00:36 AM
MrPeabody

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

Ya. I'm familiar with that. What exactly does that have to do with guns?

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4528 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 9:13:07 AM
Blah, blah, blah rights.

Why do you have a right to a machine gun but not a right to a nuclear weapon? Have your rights been compromised? Or could it be that giving military grade weapons to civilians is just plain stupid?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16866 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 8:30:41 AM
Squrlz: Forest fires are not the same. Just for the simple fact that lightning starts forest fires without humans being involved.

But even if that wasn't the case, as I said before, no small amount of safety is worth loosing our essential freedom(s) for. We've already given up our 4th amendment rights for safer travel and that's bad enough.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13217 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 8:06:41 AM


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13217 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 8:00:48 AM
why are they targeting AR-15s and their high capacity clips?


patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4528 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 7:35:07 AM
Right wing nut bars are at it again, huh? I always used to laugh at the tree huggers, but you guys really take the cake with your craziness. First, believing in a magical sky wizard and then this. You guys should really be writing this stuff down. A hundred years from now, no one will believe that you were this dense.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 7:28:38 AM
@MrPeabody: I can only evaluate the story that was aired, not the one the reporter may have meant to air but didn't. And all that I'm saying is that the premise of her piece is that she's caught Biden in a gaffe where he states two contradicting ideas ("Which is it?" she asks). But the statements are NOT contradicting at all. They require a soupcon of sophistication to grasp (in essence: "We must strive to reduce X, while at the same time acknowledging we can never eliminate X"). The fact that she trips up on such simple logic makes me wonder whether she's qualified to be reporting the news in the first place.

I'm steering clear of your question regarding AR-15s, as I never went there. All I've been commenting on is the shoddy reporting.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 7:10:10 AM
@Squrlz4Sale
I think you are right in that the reporter did not do a good job of making her point, But Biden did say:
Nothing we are going to do is fundamentally going to alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what we’re at now,

...there is no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence completely.



So essentially what he is saying, and what I believe the reporter is trying to say is that they will enact a bunch of laws that will do almost nothing but punish law abiding citizens. Also considering that the AR-15 rifle that was present at Sandy Hook was in the trunk of the shooters vehicle and he used four hand guns to commit the murders why are they targeting AR-15s and their high capacity clips?

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 585 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 7:00:12 AM
>>>> Let's do whatever we can to try to make it more difficult to commit these atrocities. <<<

You are not really in favor of that are you? I mean really you are suggesting that we do "whatever we can". Would putting an armed guard at every intersection be one of the "whatever" items you advocate? How about requiring all citizens to wear an ankle monitoring system so the government will always know where they were?

You seem quick to support taking limiting rights of others, that have done no harm. I wonder how you will feel when the government decides to take your right?

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 6:36:40 AM
I think he means they are obligated to try, though it most likely won't do anything. It can be both, the news just like to be dicks.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 6:28:03 AM
@HolyGod
"God given"...

"Seriously? Please inform me where that is even remotely implied anywhere by anyone."

Wow, you're obviously not qualified to debate this issue.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...


Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 6:22:56 AM
No Jedi mind games here, CJ. The reporter's remarks are just plain stupid.

And before you jump down my throat about God only knows what, let me state I'm not even sure where I stand on the issue of gun control, which is why I've stayed on the sidelines in most of these discussions.

Let's remove gun control from this discussion since it's such a hot button topic for you. Honestly, what would *you* call it if someone said, "We must do everything we can to reduce the number of forest fires, but the legislation we're proposing will never eliminate them" -- and a reporter smugly announced, "AHA! You're a hyprocite!"

I'd call it idiotic reporting (and I'm an ex-newspaper reporter).

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2083 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 6:17:58 AM
It's a ploy to get the republicans to relax/back down. Then they swoop in and get their way. It's no different than how the election went. The illusion of losing followed by dishing out a clobbering because the repubs are so utterly clueless.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13217 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 5:40:43 AM


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16866 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 3:48:32 AM
HolyGod: I'm not surprised that the words, "Endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights" would be foreign to you.

You can not surrender, sell or transfer 'unalienable rights'. Our rights are NOT given to us by the government, they were endowed to us by God.

Here's another that I'm sure is unfamiliar to you.

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." - Samuel Adams

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Friday, February 08, 2013 1:03:51 AM
CrakrJak

"God given"

Holy poo. Seriously? Please inform me where that is even remotely implied anywhere by anyone. I seem to remember Jesus preaching peace, forgiveness, and turning thr other cheek. Maybe you and I have different versions of the Bible. That would explain alot.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16866 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:34:54 PM
HG: I see your mincing words, when you're loosing the debate, again.

His statement is clearly contradictory to his previous speeches, yet you and the other liberals here keep trying to play Jedi mind games and try to convince people otherwise.

No perceived/proposed decrease in the likelihood of mass shootings is worth loosing our constitutional, God given, rights.

klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 647 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:09:40 PM
2 minutes later....

"In other news, dippoo hillbilly Ted Nugent has something important to say about the gun debate..."

apparently CNN didn't realize that the camera's were rolling either

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:14:14 PM
OldOllie

"first Biden says we have to do everything in our power to stop gun violence."

Did he say that in another instance? He most certainly doesn't say it here. I've watched it three times and gave you a transcript.

He says "diminish" not "stop".


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13402 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:25:31 PM
HG, first Biden says we have to do everything in our power to stop gun violence. Then he admits that what they are proposing isn't going to do Jack $#!+ to accomplish that. So, we are left to ask, if all these new gun laws are in response to a mass shooting, but they won't alter the possibility of another mass shooting, why in hell ARE they proposing all these new laws? It's obviously for some reason other than their stated purpose. So, what is it?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4960 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:43:04 PM
Does anyone honestly see a contradiction here? Even Crakr or 5Cats or McGovern1981?

He says: "Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting"

Yes. Absolutely. Complete realistic honesty. Nobody rational thinks we are going to END gun violence.

Next: "We have a moral obligation to do everything in our power to diminish the prospect that something like this could happen again."

Yes. Absolutely. Let's do whatever we can to try to make it more difficult to commit these atrocities.

Conclusion: "We can't do anything to guarantee that another shooting will happen, but we should try to do everything we can to lessen the chance."

I'm not spinning, those are the statements. Where the f.uck is the "gaffe"?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13402 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:47:27 PM
I'm not at all surprised that Joe said it. He's known for letting the truth slip out at inopportune times. I am, however, shocked as hell that CNN aired it, since they are known for hiding the truth when it conflicts with their left-wing agenda.

Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2855 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 7:29:29 PM
There is no more evil phrase than "moral obligation."

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:47:02 PM
Am I missing something or is this little news blurb idiotic?

Clip 1: Biden says (I'm paraphrasing): "Nothing we are proposing will eliminate the possibility of another massacre."

Clip 2: Biden says (I'm paraphrasing): "We must do everything we can to try to lower the possibility of another massacre."

Any reporter who thinks the above quotes constitute a "gotcha" moment should be pulled off the air and forced to attend a class in logic at the local community college.

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