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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 10257 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:27:51 AM
@drawman61
So you belive the moon landing was fake, 911 was an inside job and other conspiracies but think the people should hand over their guns and trust the government??? |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:20:12 AM
"People need to find real blame in the real problems. Healthcare costs, oppression, discrimination, egos. These are all products of us as a people, as a society. Our sue happy culture has raised so many costs and prevented people from affording the help they need. We still have to answer "Race" on applications. We, as a society, are making these killers. Not GUNS"
Well said. |
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 sparki1980
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
293 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:18:31 AM
I love the "well regulated militia vs bad gov argument". I agree with this guy, we don't have a right to guns for sport. We have a right to them to protect ourselves should our democracy turn dictatorship (and no that hasn't happened yet).
In the earlier stages of American history it was a very valid argument. Over 200 years later, it's asinine, if only for the advancement in weapons tech - tanks, planes, missiles, drones, and fullauto guns vs your rifle. Reason #2 for it being stupid is travel no longer requires a horse or boat. You can leave the country as a refugee a lot easier. 3rd is the global protected that is provided by other countries (and no I'm not saying we should rely on the UN for protection).
If the militia argument is the best, then we should allow more weapons into the mix. And require EVERY weapon be stored at a "militia hq"/"gun club". This way we have a chance against bad gov, and we don't have to worry about the wako with the |
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 gary8162
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
656 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:15:56 AM
As always Kitteh, your post does not disappoint. This gentleman has put it succintly. The problem is a societal decay. A moral "dropping of the ball" if you will. It took this man (who did his adopted country proud by the way) to spell it out for everyone. What I did't like was the fact that the councilmen aren't even listening to him. They're more worried about how much time he has left to speak. At least this man came well prepared with his remarks. Kudos to him. |
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 drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
1404 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:11:30 AM
Here in the UK our idiot teenage and early twenties population already swagger round with their pants round their knees, knives in their pockets and talk gangsta innit. These ridiculous accents are nothing like the areas they grew up in or heard their parents speak. It comes from watching too much American movie and tv. Your culture influences them more than you realise. I can guarantee that if ever guns were allowed here, all hell would break loose. And guess what? They would come back with the same tired excuses you lot come out with to justify why they shoot each other. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:09:51 AM
"Just because you CAN have a gun dosen't mean you need one."
If you don't have one when you most desperately need it, your next name maybe 'Unnamed Victim' on the TV news. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:07:42 AM
Well said, Mr. Ang. |
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 fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1417 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:05:00 AM
Andrew, my Glock is a 10mm - slightly more powerful than the 9mm, but compared to an AR15, considerably less accurate and more difficult to remain accurate when emptying an entire cartridge. Versus someone who has an AR15, I may do more damage with a single shot compared to a .223, but I would lose the gun battle 9 times out of 10. |
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 CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2994 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:02:40 AM
"I believe the point is that blades, like stones, are much less effective at killing..... The death counts aren't even comparable."
Fair enough. Take away guns and people make bombs. If people can make IEDs so easily in Iraq and Afghanistan than I'm sure a person with mental health issues could do the same here. One bomb can be much more "effective at killing" than one bullet. |
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 Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
1479 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:01:52 AM
I don't think a total ban would work, but tighter controls would help in a few areas. Your 2nd ammendment does after all refer to a well regulated milita being essential, not just mass ownership with no regulation.
The argument of 'we need guns to prevent our government from bullying us' would only make sense to me if the people that said it also agreed to places like Iran and North Korea being able to arm themselves with nukes for the same purpose. |
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CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2994 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:55:20 AM
well put Steelgrid. I have been saying the basic same thing for a good while now. crazy people that want to hurt others will find a way. taking away guns or limiting them will not work. Just as many lives could have been lost in Newtown with the use of a blade or even a blunt object. We need to fix the root cause of the problem, not take away what ever tool may have been used to achieve that persons final result. |
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fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1417 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:52:52 AM
Some countries are very strict with their gun laws, some are not. Some Americans think any tightening of the gun laws will lead to rampant criminal activity, while some believe that doing nothing will lead to a continuation of the existing criminal rampage. America was founded by people that would do anything to protect themselves and families from others, including those in power. Should we not deviate from that path, then we'd better get back to the mindset of what it means to be in a community whence the Constitution was written. Neighbors looking out for neighbors, not shooting them. Students looking out for other students, not shooting them. You can't have it both ways and the times, they are a' changin'. |
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 chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1506 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:52:24 AM
ah, kitteh... I'm disappointed. I didn't expect this kind of pathetic inflammatory pandering from you. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25693 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:50:58 AM
"Just because you CAN have a gun dosen't mean you need one."
Just because YOU don't need a gun doesn't mean I don't. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:48:29 AM
People, when they want to go on a mass slaughter for reasons unexplainable, will use whatever is available. Take away the guns, they will use blades, take away blades, and they will use stones.
You are correct, however I believe the point is that blades, like stones, are much less effective at killing. Look at the mass stabbings recently, in China and there was one just last weekend I think in Vancouver. Neither of these resulted in a death, iirc. Even the molotov roostertails used by the assailants at Columbine weren't all ignited when thrown. The death counts aren't even comparable. |
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 Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
724 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:47:37 AM
Just because you CAN have a gun dosen't mean you need one. |
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 Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1074 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:47:05 AM
fancythat, your glock is a match for an AR-15. The bullets of a .223 are weaker than 9mm. However, the AR-15 is given an advantage at long distance. The block also has nearly 20 bullets itself and is quicker and easier to reload. There is a reason that almost all gun deaths are hand guns. More deadly bullets, easier to operate. |
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robthelurker
Male, 18-29, Canada
815 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:45:05 AM
guns dont kill people. people kill people. guns just make it a hell of a lot easier. |
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 Steelgrid
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
2685 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:44:37 AM
I dont really understand the absolute "NEED" for guns. But I also dont understand how people can blame the weapon for mental health issues and results. Its like "Blaming Hotwheels for Car Safety." |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16991 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:44:13 AM
Well said! Backed up by facts, not fantasy. He will be completely ignored by that board and they'll demand some utterly useless & VERY expensive laws to "fix" the problem. |
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klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
647 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:40:15 AM
"I am an american by choice"
[applause]
Lol. Well, ain't nobody forcing him. |
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 yusuksomuch
Male, 40-49, Western US
1002 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:37:06 AM
i would like to have a beer with this guy |
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fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1417 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:27:17 AM
meh. So it's a citizen-led arms race. Great. So, I got *that* to look forward to... My Glock isn't quite the patch for an AR15, so I guess I'll have to escalate. |
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Steelgrid
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
2685 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:26:43 AM
Here's how I see things.
I am American, I live in St Louis, I like my Motorcycles, Metal Music, and Violent Video games. I do NOT own a gun.
The term "Gun Control" has been so twisted in its meaning that no one can make a full valid argument. But the real argument here isnt really gun control, gun control is a scapegoat. People, when they want to go on a mass slaughter for reasons unexplainable, will use whatever is available. Take away the guns, they will use blades, take away blades, and they will use stones.
People need to find real blame in the real problems. Healthcare costs, oppression, discrimination, egos. These are all products of us as a people, as a society. Our sue happy culture has raised so many costs and prevented people from affording the help they need. We still have to answer "Race" on applications. We, as a society, are making these killers. Not "GUNS" |
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 kitteh9lives
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
978 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:16:16 AM
Link: Gun Control - An American's Opinion [Rate Link] - No matter what your view on gun control is, you should watch this. |
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