 turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1823 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:21:29 PM
Another interesting point is that simply mentioning a possibility of gun control has sent gun and ammo sales thru the roof. Manufactures are producing 24/7 right now, and suppliers still can't keep up with demand.
Americans want the right to own guns. Debating gun control has put millions more guns on the streets recently. Just try to find an AR-15 at a reasonable price right now. The price has gone up as much as 4x, and people are still buying. |
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 whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2267 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:15:47 PM
@madduck - New York State Gun Laws
I live in NYC so these state laws as well as the NYC restrictions all apply. Keep in mind that while outside of NYC, the purchase, possession and registration of shotguns/rifles are not required but if you want to use them for hunting you have to get a hunting license. In order to get that license you have to take & pass safety courses. Also, no matter what you want to buy, the first thing that's done is a background check by the gun dealer. |
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 drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
1404 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:11:24 PM
@McGovern - So you belive the moon landing was fake, 911 was an inside job and other conspiracies but think the people should hand over their guns and trust the government???
So you intend to shoot your way out of their control? |
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 collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
3480 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:04:14 PM
cant we all just learn the moral of this story and move on to something else?
guns are cool. dont drat up with one on your person. |
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turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
1823 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:02:25 PM
Whodat - I am pleased to inform you that you are mistaken about gun control. In washington state I most definatly CAN stop by a store on my way home, and walk out with an ar-15 in a few min. Rifle documentation (not regrestration) is kept ONLY by the ffl dealer you purchased from. Records are kept on pistols only.
In short, the pistol is tracked and documented when bought from a FFL dealer, and most murders are committed with a pistol.
Rifles are not tracked, and have far less murder associated. Which is more proof that reregistration doesn't help prevent crime. |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2338 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:01:37 PM
patchgrabber-"A license doesn't infringe your right"
Then you have no problem with requiring a license for your computer, your pen, your ability to speak, your newspaper, your church?
After all, it won't infringe on your right.
madduck-"you need a license to own a car"
No, no you don't. A license it not required to purchase, own or operate a car.
If you can't even get that simple concept correct we can ignore the rest of your blather. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:54:46 PM
So- what control DO you have?
Both hands! |
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 madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2871 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:38:35 PM
So- what control DO you have? I have heard of people 'losing' guns, one woman thinks her decorator nicked theirs 6 months ago...., never told the police and what the hell was it lying around the house for? |
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madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2871 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:37:01 PM
however McGovern- whilst a kitchen knife is legal it is NOT legal if sold to a child under 16, or to carry in public unless safely contained. The logic is simple- you could have no good reason to walk down the street with a Sabatier in your pocket in easy access. Therefore it is safe to assume that anyone so doing is, in fact, intending harm.. |
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whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2267 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:36:12 PM
The funniest thing about reading all these comments is the fact that most of the Europeans on IAB seem to think that there are absolutely no gun control regulations in this country. Sorry to burst your bubble but it's not like the wild west sh*t you see on the telly. You can't just stop by the grocery store on your way home from work and pick up a loaf of bread, gallon of milk and an AR-15. You're all clearly misinformed and might want to brush up on that before you start trying to state your case on gun control. |
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 insane_ai
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
668 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:31:10 PM
I find the liberals squirming on this issue amusing. Red herring arguments will not win this one.
If you think only the Military and Police should hold such weapons, feel free to move to a country that has that in place already. See how many rights you have then.
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 CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2994 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:30:28 PM
@PG: "Most of those bombings had one or none on the list of people killed. Doesn't really make bombs out to be that effective, imo."
Fair enough, all I am saying is if guns are more restricted then more people may find it easier to go the bombing path. More people trying it usually leads to it being more effective.
"I'm not saying that crazy people aren't the problem, but how do you legislate crazy? You already stripped the mentally ill of their 2nd amendment right and that has apparently done nothing."
True, we cannot 100% keep guns or any weapon out of their hands but we can make access to mental health care more reasonable. Seems these days that a crazy person has an easier time getting a gun than getting proper help. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:27:41 PM
The demo rifle the AR-15 since 1958!
*demon |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:26:00 PM
And if you think banning guns is like banning knifes and other weapons then yeah you're retarded. Let's make tanks and rpgs available for everyone too, your logic is flawless.
So you don't agree with your "experts" then!
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madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2871 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:22:30 PM
Okay- you need a license to own a car, but not a sword or a mace. Your rights allow you to bear arms and if you do not stand up to the checks to ensure you are a responsible gun owner then may I suggest bludgeoning may be more in your future. There are other rights that you forfeit by behaviour- so perhaps gun ownership should be one. If you are an upstanding citizen then you get a gun, if not, tough luck. As a nation you are not too fussy about other rights you deprive your citizens of... |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:18:20 PM
Oh yeah one of the strictest gun control regime in the world, glad you agree.
Really now!! So you an own an "assault weapon" in the UK now?? |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:16:54 PM
Only the number of death increased thanks to the modern rifles you can buy.
ROFL!!! "Assault rifles" have exsisted since the end of WW2. The demo rifle the AR-15 since 1958! |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5290 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:16:43 PM
@coyoteking: Most of those bombings had one or none on the list of people killed. Doesn't really make bombs out to be that effective, imo. I'm not saying that crazy people aren't the problem, but how do you legislate crazy? You already stripped the mentally ill of their 2nd amendment right and that has apparently done nothing.
Oh, it specifies that you must have weapons?
No, just as it doesn't specify that you do not need a license. A license doesn't infringe your right, it just makes you a more responsible patron of that right. |
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 LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2417 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:13:40 PM
'Only in America does someone think it's al right to kill a burgler.'
No, it's OK in the UK as well. I once let a burglar live, but that was my choice. If I had felt threatened I could have used any means to end that threat; if I legally owned a gun and had it to hand it would be legal to use it. If I happened to be holding a chainsaw at the time I could have legally ended the threat with hunks of bloodied flesh.
I wouldn't be allowed to do stuff to him once he was incapacitated, or pursue him as he ran screaming for mercy. That seems fair.
If I'd felt for a moment that I or my family was threatened I'd have killed wthout hesitation or regret.
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 Tekinette
Male, 18-29, Europe
255 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:11:50 PM
And if you think banning guns is like banning knifes and other weapons then yeah you're retarded. Let's make tanks and rpgs available for everyone too, your logic is flawless. |
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Tekinette
Male, 18-29, Europe
255 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:08:56 PM
@McGovern1981
"Ya like Switzerland!!! Oh ya wait a sec...."
Oh yeah one of the strictest gun control regime in the world, glad you agree. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25672 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:06:22 PM
A person breaking into my garage to steal my car is not just stealing a "thing". He's stealing a year of my life. That's how long I will have to work to earn enough to replace what he took. |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2874 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:06:19 PM
The Chicago argument is pretty flawed. A city can pass as many gun control laws as they want, but if the surrounding areas have fewer restrictions, it won't necessarily make a difference. Over half the guns recovered in Chicago came from out of state.
Secondly, if you're going to say Chicago's high murder rate is directly attributable to strict gun control, then why has New York City seen a drop-off in murders, while also having strict controls on guns?
Gun control in the US has to be one of common sense, because nobody is going to ban guns. An assault weapons ban, which won't pass, wouldn't even tackle the biggest scourge, which is handguns. To do that, you need background checks and better licensing, which are proposals most Americans support. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:05:52 PM
"If you value your own life so little that you risk loosing it by me shooting you when you crawl in my window, then how is that my fault?"
Damn it, I guess I will have to use the door when I come visit in April. |
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CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2994 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 12:02:20 PM
"You don't know if someone is invading to steal, kill, or return your missing keys"
if someone i dont know is in my house when they shouldnt be i doubt they are returning my missing keys. that person would knock, not just let himself in. it is pretty easy to tell which is the burglar and which is the good samaritan when they let themselves into my house. |
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