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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:59:09 AM
I must have missed this. I heard him say that there is a process by which the constitution is amended and a process by which rights are removed, I did not hear him indicate that they were the same processes.
He said "In order to limit the rights of individuals there is something called 'due process' and legislation is not due process. If you wanna take my rights away, let's go to court." |
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 gary8162
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
655 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:44:59 AM
What this world needs is less crazy extremists and more, central thinking normal folks.
This is actually one of the truest statements, not just on this thread but in general. |
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 dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
488 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:42:48 AM
<<<He's also wrong about how the constitution is amended; the courts don't amend the constitution, that's up to the LEGISLATORS in the house/senate and the states. So I don't see how you need to go to the courts to take rights away, because you don't.<<<
I must have missed this. I heard him say that there is a process by which the constitution is amended and a process by which rights are removed, I did not hear him indicate that they were the same processes.
If you want to prohibit an activity, or for that matter require an activity, you should demonstrate how that prohibition, or requirement, will solve or prevent the problem you are seeking to address. So far I have yet to see this from the gun control advocates. Even the VP stated that the regulations proposed would do NOTHING to prevent another Sandy Hook type event. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10187 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:36:57 AM
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 patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
2952 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:35:52 AM
What a twit. These right wing nut bars are just as loony and their tree hugging, hippy counterparts. What this world needs is less crazy extremists and more, central thinking normal folks. |
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 RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2030 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:30:12 AM
I wouldn't call this an "own" at all. All he really does in this video is prove how little he actually knows about how laws and ammendment actually work.
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10187 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:27:40 AM
The Department of homeland security in about the last 9 months or so has bought over 1.4 billion rounds of ammo. A large portion of these .40 cal hollow point which don't even follow the Geneva convention now why might that be? These numbers include the Social Security Administration and the National Weather Service but ya hand your guns over people you're not to be trusted with them..... |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10187 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:16:41 AM
@drawman61
So would freedom of press only apply to printing presses and parchment? Get back to bowing to the crown this is none of your concern. |
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 drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
1389 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:59:03 AM
These "God Laws" were put into place when it took 5 minutes to load a musket with one ball but the Not-Rights of today have twisted that to cover their modern day uzi's. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:57:28 AM
The gun issue is no different.
Oh yeah that's right I forgot you have that smoking amendment in your constitution. Durrr.
Our founders knew this basic simple fact about freedom, disarming the public leads to tyranny. Not rarely, not sometimes, not most of the time, but ALL THE TIME.
And that's why Australia and Japan are both communist dictatorships, right? There's so much stupid in this thread I feel dumber for having read it. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:53:50 AM
Our allegiance is to the PEOPLE, not the government. We are citizens too. If the government is encroaching upon the rights of the people, then WE are being targeted too. A majority of the military would join any revolt made by the people, not just because the obligation we swore to is to the people, but because WE ARE THE PEOPLE... Just as much as anyone else is.
So let me get this straight...You're worried that the government will turn on its people and attempt to enslave you or whatever, but then you say that the only means the government would have to effectively police the entire nation wouldn't do it anyway? What the hell are you worried about then? |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:50:10 AM
"endowed by our Creator..."
I really hate this poo. Some invisible man didn't grant you rights, because if He did endow them to you, you probably would have received them long before the 1800s.
He's also wrong about how the constitution is amended; the courts don't amend the constitution, that's up to the LEGISLATORS in the house/senate and the states. So I don't see how you need to go to the courts to take rights away, because you don't. |
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 abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
69 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:38:04 AM
@ DromEd, Big thumbs up!!
@ fancythat, the cheapest model of full auto weapon is a M-10 also know as a MAC-10. costs about $3,500 Plus a $200 tax stamp. You also have to get your CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) to sign the paperwork. Good luck on that. No one will go through all that to rob a house. They will get a $100 handgun to do it.
Gun haters. Please do you homework and really, really think hard about the matter at hand. Use logic and reason, remove your emotions and just think.
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
And your paperwork |
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abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
69 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 5:19:26 AM
The Police do NOT have a legal requirement to protect you. That's why in every active shooter event they are hiding behind trees, cars and whatever else they can find. They wait until the shooting has stopped and then go in. They have a joke in Washington D.C. Why did MPD install gunshot detectors in the worst neighborhoods...So they know when its safe for them to show up. With all the budget cuts going on, Law enforcement cuts, its up to the INDIVIDUAL to be responsible for their own safety and security. In short, the police are not there to protect you. They are there to enforce laws. nothing more. |
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gary8162
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
655 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 4:10:36 AM
@ Charlatan
It's funny how you post what happened in Australia with your blinders on. You make no mention of your crime rate that's gone up since taking away the guns . . . violent crime especially. Talk about stupid or ignorant.
The man in this video clip may seem extreme in his views to a lot of people out there (not to me, but to others) but he hits the nail on the head with at least one thing. This country's favorite way to push through laws is via the "knee jerk reaction" to a tragic public event. That is never a good idea. Just like screwing with our "Bill of Rights" is never a good idea. |
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 Vexys
Male, 18-29, Europe
71 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 3:09:02 AM
Charlatan its honestly not worth it, sad that its the case but not worth it, like banging your head against a wall. |
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 crackyhoss
Male, 18-29, Western US
245 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:39:55 AM
A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, what the drat is the third word of the 2nd amendment? REG-U-LA-TED... that means drating background checks and gun registries. You stupid drating redneck conspiracy theorists can't be bothered to read the entire amendment, much less understand the context of the times for when it was written. Nobody is trying to take your guns, or your jerbs. |
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 charlatan75
Male, 30-39, Australia
30 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:38:08 AM
Kazakhstan or Russia. |
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charlatan75
Male, 30-39, Australia
30 Posts
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Wednesday, February 06, 2013 1:37:34 AM
I cannot fathom his ignorance. His daughter could have been murdered that day because someone found it just all sooo easy-peasy to lay his hands on a gun that day, and get into his daughter's school on that day, yet he still supports wide, and free, and easily accessible gun ownership?
That, is just stupid. Or ignorant, or blind, or he's in denial as he loves his shiny penis extension too much to give it up. We took over ONE MILLION guns of Australian streets in 1996 and 2003 after the dreadful Port Arthur massacre, and massively tightened gun control laws. 600,000 illegal sporting rifles & 500,000 hand pistols, all compensated. No-one cried "My Constitutional Rights!" so our little children do not need to think about thinks such as gun massacres as they get their education. Australian children do not need to seek counselling or attend sad funerals of murdered friends after these common events.
It is easier to get hold of a gun in America than it is in |
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 Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2694 Posts
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Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:47:36 PM
drat yeah. |
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 auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8665 Posts
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Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:59:22 PM
Thank you gauddith.
The whole reason I posted it. |
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 Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
106 Posts
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Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:14:00 PM
Ignoring the debate raging below, this actually made me smile. He was trying not to tear up at the end and you could tell how passionate he was about his cause. The little punch at the end sold it. This guy is an awesome passionate father, and I want to hug him. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2885 Posts
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Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:06:40 PM
CrakrJak
"disarming the public leads to tyranny. Not rarely, not sometimes, not most of the time, but ALL THE TIME."
So in your mind England is on the precipice of tyranny? How about the dozens of other modern countries with little to no gun ownership? |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:05:11 PM
"It's not 'imaginary' when it comes straight out of the communist manifesto. It's not imaginary when governments, marching their way toward tyranny, disarm the public to enforce it's will upon the governed. Our founders knew this basic simple fact about freedom, disarming the public leads to tyranny. Not rarely, not sometimes, not most of the time, but ALL THE TIME."
Please tell me you are just trolling. |
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 aroc91
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
115 Posts
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Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:34:55 PM
@HolyGod
1. He was caught by surprise.
2. You're ignoring the many other thousands of documented cases of successful self defense. |
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