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Sandy Hook Father Owns Congress

Hits: 9394 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: auburnjunky
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:46:11 AM
"Hollow points aren't for target pratice if you use 667 rounds a year you've been killing some people."

Why read facts when conspiracy theories are so much more fun. From the fact check, "On its website, the Georgia-based center says it trains law officers for 90 federal agencies and also officers in state, local, tribal, and international law enforcement. Chandler said that in the 12 months through September 2011, over 11,000 students at the center fired over 11 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition, primarily in basic training."

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:44:51 AM
@Zeegrr60


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:40:31 AM
@markust123

Hollow points aren't for target pratice if you use 667 rounds a year you've been killing some people.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:36:24 AM
@HolyGod

$20 here ya go!

Well, technology has made the spread of information easier and faster and more ubiquitous. That is good thing.


Ya not like you can find out how to make a fertilizer bomb or all sorts of gasses and weapons online......


antagonizer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 506 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:35:08 AM
Well said.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:34:15 AM
Since it is obvious you didn't even bother reading the fact check here,

"Homeland Security oversees more than 135,000 weapons-carrying officers. If those officers go through all the possible 450 million rounds at the same rate each over five years -- admittedly, an unlikely balance -- each officer will have used about 667 bullets a year."

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1971 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:31:59 AM
the way I see it, I need a gun.Those around me with guns are rednecks.Bad people to have guns...they want to shoot UFO's and bigfoot.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:31:21 AM
"So border patrol needs 450 million hollow point nothing fishy about the Social Security Administration and the National Weather Service need those along with .308 hollow points must have to snipe that blizzard coming along."

Nothing fishy when you stretch that over a five year plan.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:30:17 AM
@markust123

450 million .40-caliber bullets billions of bullets total not for any military branch what so ever. Maths not a strong point with you is it?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:27:04 AM
@markust123

So border patrol needs 450 million hollow point nothing fishy about the Social Security Administration and the National Weather Service need those along with .308 hollow points must have to snipe that blizzard coming along.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:26:39 AM
Ha ha. I found where you are getting your "facts". You read Modern Survival Blogs. Your credibility just fell through the toilet with me.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:23:45 AM
@patchgrabber

Talking the US ban.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5062 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:21:27 AM
McGovern1981

"So would freedom of press only apply to printing presses and parchment?"

Well, technology has made the spread of information easier and faster and more ubiquitous. That is good thing.

Technology has also made the spread of bullets easier and faster and more ubiquitous. That is bad thing.

Do you get the difference between good and bad?

Since, apparently, you like to pretend the bill of rights are SO important to you, why aren't you up in arms over the 7th amendment? My guess is because you don't even know what it is. But guess what? We don't follow it anymore because times changed and it isn't 1791 anymore.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:21:23 AM
I just noticed the fact check I linked to was from March of 2012. So it doesn't relate to the last 9 months like you are talking about but since you misled people by leaving out significant departments that need ammunition I'm sure it still does relate. Plus the fact check explains that it is a 5 year plan.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:12:50 AM
"The Department of homeland security in about the last 9 months or so has bought over 1.4 billion rounds of ammo. A large portion of these .40 cal hollow point which don't even follow the Geneva convention now why might that be? These numbers include the Social Security Administration and the National Weather Service but ya hand your guns over people you're not to be trusted with them....."

Do you believe every chain mail you read. The 5 year contract is for 450 Million rounds. They haven't bought 1.9 Billion rounds. And you conveniently left out Border Protection, Secret Service, Immigration Enforcement. They're buying in bulk to save money. Factcheck

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:12:04 AM
People like to not notice the school shootings that took place under the ban.

Since the Australia gun ban, iirc there have been no mass shootings (4+ killed) in Australia.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:53:15 AM
What I see from the chart below is no impact whatsoever from the ban. Much like what our firt "assault weapon" ban did. People like to not notice the school shootings that took place under the ban.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:40:36 AM
@spermninja: You're right, assault was on an upward trend even before the gun ban.


*This chart is from page 6 of the 2011 Australian Crime Statistics Report.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:33:11 AM
I think that the US's position in relation to firearm ownership is one that is totally unique in historical terms, and can't be compared to Australia or the UK and especially not Nazi Germany. If you do look at some of the rates of firearm deaths in Australia in the last two decades and compare it to the US I'm pretty sure most would agree that at least In Australia, more guns would equal more innocent deaths.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:27:57 AM
That said, I DON'T think the same scheme will work in the US, there's just too many firearms for the government to feasibly buyback at once, and it seems far too many owners willing to surrender them.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:22:59 AM
I'm over this argument, but I've just got to ask exactly where people are getting their facts and figures regarding the crime rates in Australia post 1996? in just 20 minutes of searching I have found literally dozens of independent articles (I don't feel the need to post each link, we can all google right?)that seem to reinforce the Australian Institute of Criminology's reports on violent crime statistics that show that out of the five major types of violent crime (Assault,Robbery,Sexual Assault,Kidnap,Homicide) the only crime that continues to rise significantly is assault (which is quite clearly linked to the binge drinking epidemic here,but has no relevance to criminal use of firearms). Both sides of this argument have an agenda, and are capable of twisting information to meet it, but it would seem to me, that one could confidently argue that the firearms restrictions and buyback scheme in Australia after Port Arthur DID in fact reduce firearm deaths and suicides.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:21:03 AM
Funny how control freaks skip right over the part that says - "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:19:17 AM


dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 594 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:05:54 AM
>>>He said "In order to limit the rights of individuals there is something called 'due process' and legislation is not due process. If you wanna take my rights away, let's go to court."
<<

Yes exactly, the process for removing a persons rights. For example incarceration. NOT the process for eliminating a right to the population. But again perhaps my mind is parsing his words in a manner he did not mean.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 594 Posts
Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:03:06 AM
>>> REG- U- LA- TED...<<<

I believe the word in this case refers to discipline and practice.
The 2nd amendment does not start with, As long as.... Nor does it state that the militia shall have the right to keep and bear arms, if this is what was meant the authors who were not exactly dumb people would have said so. Instead they used clear language to state exactly what they meant. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. To answer the question why the starting clause is included.
We can argue about whether or not the rationale behind the 2nd still holds true, I actually lean toward the idea that it does not, and what other requirements there should be. But to put any of that in practice the 2nd amendment needs to be amended. There is a clear process for doing so, and it is not a knee jerk reaction by politicians.

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