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Political Cartoon--Oh, Now I Get It [Pic]

Hits: 13948 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:26:25 PM
If liberals as a whole are such racists OldOllie why do you have to spin history with Glenn Beck's whole Southern Democrats lie? If you can't tell the truth to get your point across then your point is a little suspect.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14770 Posts
Tuesday, February 05, 2013 8:05:30 PM
markust, that tired old canard that Republicans are racists is nothing but liberal Democrat slander.

Democrats won the black vote away from the Party of Lincoln by becoming the Party of Santa Clause. They treat blacks like children who need someone to take care of them, and 90% of them are more than happy to play along. The Democrats have promised them free health care, free birth control, free abortions, free housing, free utilities, free food, free education, and free ObamaPhones, and they're going to make all those rich white folks pay for it, because your great, great, great, great, great, great, grandaddy was a slave, and they owe you.

So, if I don't want to give up my hard-earned money to Obama so he can use it to buy the votes of the last 5% of blacks who didn't vote for him, does that make me a racist? Why am I even asking? I know your answer. You've already made up your mind.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, February 05, 2013 2:04:27 PM
I am not saying that there are no liberals that are racist because of course there are but they hold nothing on the vast number of conservatives today and in our history that were racist. Until Republican candidates learn to talk 'with' instead of talking 'to' minorities they are going to continue to lose elections. The days of the Southern Strategy are over.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:39:48 PM
"I'm convinced you're either retarded or insane. You haven't disagreed with a word I've said, yet you're ranting at me like a demented raving lunatic. What the drat? Are you off your meds this week?"

You know exactly what you are doing with this spin. You are doing it to pretend that liberals are racists when the truth is (as numerous people have explained to you over the years) that all of the white South moved to the Democratic party when Lincoln was in power, and they stayed there for almost a hundred years. The Southern conservatives in the Democratic party at the time even formed their own "Tea Party" offshoot of the Democratic party called the Dixiecrats. The conservative Dixiecrats opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and white supremacy. The more you use this spin to try and make the Democrats of today look racist, or the liberal democrats of the 1900's look racist, the more it shows how racist you are - it's projecting.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14770 Posts
Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:11:43 AM
I have to know OldOllie. You can't be that stupid? You're just f*cking with me right?

markust, I'm convinced you're either retarded or insane. You haven't disagreed with a word I've said, yet you're ranting at me like a demented raving lunatic. What the drat? Are you off your meds this week?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 04, 2013 11:43:22 AM
"And if we were to have an artist staring at a pile of crap, and the resulting painting was the Obama Hope poster, it would be representative of MSNBC (and, CBS, CNN etc). You have no problem with that analogy, right?"

If you had stopped at just MSNBC sure. They are equally as horrible and sensationalist as Fox News. Neither one has any business calling themselves news.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Monday, February 04, 2013 8:02:06 AM
Oh, I get it...refrigerator.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Monday, February 04, 2013 7:12:26 AM
royal*

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13519 Posts
Monday, February 04, 2013 7:09:56 AM
We don't have to make drawings just look at history and take pictures....


Oh but that was a joke costume it not like there was a sympathizer in the rayal family when the genocides were taking place.... Oh wait there was!!! multipule ones in that precious family geeee what could've gone wrong there!

robthelurker
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2299 Posts
Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:02:21 PM
i had no idea what this picture is supposed to mean. i thought for a moment some one was trying to call jack kirby racist. that is exactly the type of thing that would send me into a blind nerd rage. although he did model professor xavier after martin luther king jr and still made him white. apparently judge dredd was supposed to be black, but because he was first drawn in black and white no one noticed. the more you know.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 03, 2013 11:01:02 PM
"markust, you just agreed with me and insulted me in the same sentence. I said that back in the day, all the white southern racists were Democrats."

No. You tried to spin it that the democrats today are racist because the southern democrats were racist when as you have finally admitted all the white south were democrats in the 1900's. I'm glad you can finally admit this but it does't take away from the tens of times you have have trolled this. You are a shanker on the penis of society.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:50:06 PM
I have to know OldOllie. You can't be that stupid? You're just f*cking with me right?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:44:21 PM
"I said that back in the day, all the white southern racists were Democrats."

Are you retarded? All the white south were democrats from 1880+ to 1960+ (liberals and democrats). They were not going to be aligned with the Republican party of Lincoln. You are dumb dumb dumb.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14770 Posts
Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:58:08 PM
markust, you just agreed with me and insulted me in the same sentence. I said that back in the day, all the white southern racists were Democrats. You agreed with that statement. Then you started flinging your turds like an enraged chimp. What the f*** is your problem? Are you completely detached from reality, or did you just wake up with a hard on and no place to put it?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4744 Posts
Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:16:04 AM
Gerry1of1-"The Racist {man in KKK hood} paints himself as the ultimate patriot {Capt. America}
in other words... FOX NEWS!"

And if we were to have an artist staring at a pile of crap, and the resulting painting was the Obama Hope poster, it would be representative of MSNBC (and, CBS, CNN etc). You have no problem with that analogy, right?



Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1462 Posts
Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:35:19 AM
Sigh, I hate it when photoshop gets real. You know, when people actually paint things instead of just photoshopping it.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:05:56 PM

Gawd, are you guys still argueing over this?

If you have to read 3 pages of crap before you can understand it's a protrait of some under ground railroad guy, then it's a TOTAL FAIL!

Just looking at it, without a booklet to tell you what to think, you can get some very good emotion from it and it's thought provoking. But I'm not going to study some damn disertation. I'm gonna look at it, gleen what I can, and move on.

Now, I suggest you guys do the same.... MOVE ON

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:04:35 PM
"@markust Just because I'm right, you don't have to be a prick about it. Oh, that's right, I guess you do. Never mind."

All of the white South were Democrats (liberals and conservatives) for almost a hundred years you f*cking moron. When are you going to get that through your thick ignorant skull. The South was not going to align with the party of Lincoln.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14770 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 7:54:29 PM
@markust Just because I'm right, you don't have to be a prick about it. Oh, that's right, I guess you do. Never mind.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:16:21 PM
@5cats
Ah, well! It would be an entirely different thing if @FancyLad had linked the article, and NOT brought "guns" into the mix!


You've been around long enough, so shame on you if you expect more. This is precisely why I sought out the origin of the picture so I could understand why it was made.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26203 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:43:19 PM
@Mr.Peabody: Ah, well! It would be an entirely different thing if @FancyLad had linked the article, and NOT brought "guns" into the mix!
As a companion piece to an article it makes more sense, kinda.

However that's not how it was presented here, so you can see why it got "misunderstood" eh?

And even as a political cartoon it fails, since it simply depicts either all "southerners" or indeed all Americans as deluded racists. That's what the origional picture was all about: a "self portrait", right? America looking at itself. Rockwell's pictures were all about "reflecting America" be it good or bad.

Mr.Fish is the one who's delusional, HE imagines himself to be the hero, by fighting strawmen and paper tigers...

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:32:03 PM
"Art" is supposed to be judged on it's merits. If this painting sends "mixed messages" it's the fault of the ARTIST, not the public.


I would argue that this in not intended to be art that stands on it's own, or was intended to be hung in a museum, it is rather a political cartoon that goes with an article that expresses the idea that some look in a mirror and see a hero, when in fact they are bigoted racists.

And it is not intended to represent all white people, it is just commenting on the specific situation in Memphis, TN because it is part of the article.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:22:03 PM
[cont]
and represents the idea that some in the Memphis are painting some slave owners as heroes. I'm sure that the picture of Hitler is there because in the south many involved in racist circles ascribe to Hitler's ideas about race. If you think of the context of the article, the picture makes perfect sense, whether or not you agree with the message.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:16:05 PM
@5Cats
ok, here is how the article relates to the picture.
The author is describing several situations in which the white political leaders hold up individuals who were racist slave owners as hero's while ignoring real hero's such as burkle:

The split between those in Memphis who hold up authentic heroes—those who fought to protect, defend and preserve life, such as Wells and Burkle—and those who memorialize slave traders and bigots such as Forrest points up a disturbing rise of a neo-Confederate ideology in the South. Honoring figures like Forrest in Memphis while ignoring Wells would be like erecting a statue to the Nazi death camp commander Amon Goeth in the Czech Republic town of Svitavy, the birthplace of Oskar Schindler, who rescued 1,200 Jews.


so to tie it back the to picture, the man, a racist is painting himself as a hero, and represents the idea that some in the Memphis are painting some slave owne

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26203 Posts
Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:59:42 AM
@Mr.Peabody: Well I did read part of the article before, and now I've carefuly read the whole thing.
I STILL don't know why we're supposed to "get that" this picture is about -historical revisionism- without a LONG explaination.
"Art" is supposed to be judged on it's merits. If this painting sends "mixed messages" it's the fault of the ARTIST, not the public.

1) It has everything to do with the origional artwork this Mr.Fish has copied! He chose it on purpose.

@unmercifuldu: Riiight, there's NO racism on "the left"! Just ask Clarence Thomas about that! Or Condie Rice...

You clearly seem personally attacked by the message and not the artistic integrity.

What? huh? The message IS the artistic integrity! It's the SAME THING! Making a 'political parody' of a famous picture has "integrity" now? Oy vey!

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