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Who's REALLY Getting Government Handouts? [Pic]

Hits: 12623 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: chalket
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24380 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:03:26 PM
People have value whether they have skills or not.

Yeah, @HG, and that value is "minimum wage".
Are you going to start quoting Chairman Mao next?
Are you suggesting that brain surgeons and busboys recieve equal pay? Oh hey! Here's a crazy idea: why not let "the marketplace" decide?

@studioso: Excellent point!

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3609 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:55:52 PM
@MeGrendel - Now I know why they always look at us like we're crazy when we go down south for storm work after hurricanes & tornado's. I always here them saying sh*t like, "Damn, you NY boys work too much & too fast! This is the south, we do everything slow down here." (That's an actual quote I heard while doing storm work in Mississippi & Alabama a few years ago)

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4316 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:54:06 PM
SmagBoy1-" I just think they ought to have to pay a fair and equitable amount in taxes"

Walmart pays one of highest rates of any corporation: According to the House Ways and Means Committee, Walmart pays 33.6% effective tax rate(as opposed to Obama's pals GE, who pays 3.6%).

So, on that $15.4 Billion in 2011, they paid $5.2 Billion in taxes.

Do you REALLY want to talk about 'their fair share'?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24380 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:53:36 PM
Oh, The humanity.

The point, @LordJim, which has obviously eluded you, is this:
Minimum Wage Laws drive UP costs, which are passed to the customers, which DISPROPORTIONATLY harms... the poor! So the very "poor folks" you're claiming to help are the ones BEING HARMED by "across-the-board" higher prices.

AND ANOTHER THING: isn't it ironic that the very liberals demanding "illegal aliens" get citizenship are the same ones demanding higher wages? Those illegals DROP WAGES by being willing to work for far less! DUH!
You want better wages & conditions? LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT! Which Obama is doing the opposite...
And ObamaCare will force employers to CUT HOURS or face even higher costs...

Irony = Lost

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4316 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:45:06 PM
In this area, the union bid would be more like: $50/hr for worker, $50/hr for company, $50/hr for democratic party & $50/hr for corrupt democrat politicians. While the non-union would be $75/hr for the worker, $25/hr for the company.

The union job would last four times as long as estimated and run over budget by 300%. The resulting work would be crappy.

The non-union job would be done before deadline, on budget and quality work.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4150 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:41:51 PM
I don't think they're evil. I just think they ought to have to pay a fair and equitable amount in taxes instead of getting corporate welfare via tax breaks, local, state and federal, for various and sundry BS crap they do.

As for this link, the whole point is that they could afford to do more and that it likely wouldn't hurt their bottom line. And, they could feel better about themselves. But I doubt anyone is saying that they should *have* to. Just that, wouldn't it be cool if they did.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4316 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:34:00 PM
studioso-"but the government can't just force walmart to pay more."

But that's just what they would like, because Walmart is 'evil' (why is it 'evil'? because they say it is.).

A stock person at Walmart is making the same rate as a stock person at Food World, Publix, Kroger, Target, Fareway and Piggly Wiggly. And the same minimum wage they'd be making at a mom & pop.

But as 'Walmart is 'evil'.', we must complain only about them.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3609 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:32:22 PM
Here's how it works in the construction industry. Both union & non-union shops bid on jobs, the bids are all in the same ballpark so it's up to the customer to choose. In this area, the bigger jobs usually go to union shops because even if it costs more (which isn't always the case) the work is done right. I've been on several jobs where they tried to save money by hiring a non-union shop, the job got f*cked up and they hired us to come fix it.

Now say there are 2 identical bids, 1 union, 1 non-union. The customer is willing to pay $100/hr per journeyman on the job. The union shop pays their workers $50/hr & keeps $50/hr for their overhead and profit. The non-union shop pays their workers $25/hr & keeps $75/hr for their overhead and profit. And like I said, the non-union shops in this area are notorious for cutting corners and doing sh*tty work.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4316 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:30:34 PM
LordJim-"That only works if I subsidise the corporation through my taxes making up the shortfall. I don't like doing that."

You're NOT doing that. The link between minimum wage a company pays and taxpayer 'subsidizing' the company is complete bullshat.

HalfPintRoo-"How does the government calculate minimum wage?"

One thing they DO NOT do is calculate the minimum wage as having ANYTHING to do with a living wage. It was never meant to be one.

studioso
Male, 18-29, Canada
 58 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:25:37 PM
ok,
all true: but the government can't just force walmart to pay more. and if it raises the minimum wage for everyone, will it hurt all the small businesses that don't do 15 billions of profit a year?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4956 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:16:38 PM
whoday6484

"go union"

Well. I think in a LOT of instances unions have forced companies to pay workers more than they are worth which has led to the absolute evaporation of manufacturing in this country leaving only s.hitty service jobs like walmart for the un-educated or un-skilled.

So....

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:14:09 PM
How does the government calculate minimum wage?

I live extremely frugal and minimalistic with the most unnecessary bills I have being for internet connection and simple cell phone (but no home phone).

I make well above minimum wage and cannot call myself well off or secure by any means.

I honestly don't know how people do it.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4956 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:11:59 PM
IS NOBODY POINTING OUT THAT THIS PICTURE IS NOT OF FAITH OR HER DAUGHTER? THIS IS A LIE!

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4270 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:10:41 PM
'Your taxmoney would be used, regardless.'

Yes, of course it would. I thought that went without saying. They would be on the dole, or whatever you want to call it. Then I could see where my money was going and act accordingly. But instead I'm boosting someone's profits.

If they can't afford the labour costs then their business model doesn't work.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3609 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:08:04 PM
Go union, I just got a "cost of living" pay increase for 2013 which is pretty much unheard of everywhere else at the moment. My sister works for the DOD in the finance dept at West Point so I know from her that the gov't didn't give out cost of living pay increases to their employees this year. Most people I know are currently getting hours and/or benefits cut.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4270 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:55:19 PM
'You're missing the point that SOME JOBS are not MEANT to be living wages.'

That only works if I subsidise the corporation through my taxes making up the shortfall. I don't like doing that. They are gaming the system and the system runs on my wallet.

I pay a pretty high tax rate and a I'm mostly OK with that except when I'm subsidising corporations who think of tax as an optional tip.
Pay your staff a living wage, pay your damn taxes and take an honest profit from that.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4316 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:55:12 PM
LordJim-"By employing people at such low pay that my tax money has to be used just to keep them surviving."

Your taxmoney would be used, regardless. If they didn't have the job, you'd be spending MORE taxes on them.

Most Walmart employees making minimum wage are being 'subsidized' by Mommy & Daddy, as they still live at home.

It's not Walmart's fault if a 30 year old has no marketable job skills.

Nor is it Walmart's fault, or business, that this chick has a baby.

HolyGod-"But are you telling me a 12 hour wednesday day shift at walmart is meant for a high school kid?"

It could be meant for a kid that has college classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

It could be meant as a 2nd job for someone working nights?

Are you telling me that just because it's a day shift it should pay more than nights and weekends?

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:54:27 PM
HOLYGOD, If I became sick and were laid off, I wouldn't blame the company. I would first go to family and ask for help before I automatically went to the government. The only governmental assistance I think is valid is medicare/Social Security, and that's ONLY because we pay into it all our lives. If we didn't have that, we'd squirrel it away and use it.

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:51:29 PM
madduck, you slut (hey--you told me to), I worked at several pooty jobs before I got this one. It's not like I haven't worked poo-jobs. You know nothing about me.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13217 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:50:55 PM
@LordJim

Single mothers on government handouts.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4270 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:44:05 PM
'You should take a closer look at the demographic we're talking about it composed of alot of just that.'

Minimum wage employees are mostly sluts?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4956 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:40:10 PM
Megrendel

"SOME JOBS are not MEANT to be living wages. A Walmart job, like McDonalds, is for high-school kids trying to make extra money while in school"

Sure, after school hours or on weekends. But are you telling me a 12 hour wednesday day shift at walmart is meant for a high school kid? Come on.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4316 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:35:44 PM
HolyGod-"$8 an hour is not enough to rent an apartment, pay basic utilities, and eat."

You're missing the point that SOME JOBS are not MEANT to be living wages. A Walmart job, like McDonalds, is for high-school kids trying to make extra money while in school (and that's the pool you have to compete with). It also helps them get basic work skills.

If you have better skills, you don't work at Walmart.

And, it's all about Supply and Demand. In North Dakota, there is an oil-boom. Anyone with ANY skill are getting good jobs. As a result, starting pay at Wal-Mart is $17 per hour.

honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1570 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:33:40 PM
I worked at walmart while I was going to college. That is the only reason you should work there. They treat their employees like crap and they will get over on you any way that they can.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4956 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:32:37 PM
TruTentrMan

"HolyGod, I sit at a desk in front of a computer and design electrical systems for commercial buildings. It is NOT manual labor."

Apologies for assumptions then, although I do not consider the term "manual labor" to be in any way a dig. My uncle is a contractor.

"Not that it's any of your business, but I make around $20/hr."

Then you are probably living pay check to pay check. considering how close you are to being thrown below the poverty line, I would think you would be more understanding of those at it and less than judgmental.

Hopefully nothing bad happens to you, but again, you are one sickness away from needing government assistance and having inconsiderate people on websites making cracks about your ambition or worth. keep that in mind.

The callousness just surprises me that's all. People have value whether they have skills or not.

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