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Who's REALLY Getting Government Handouts? [Pic]

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madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5414 Posts
Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:06:59 AM
Interesting. Those who defend Walmart- by claiming the figures are wrong, the information incorrect etc... quite a few ad hominem attacks on those less fortunate than themselves. Those who honestly believe in trickle down economics- no matter what the evidence. Very few who would admit that the argument is sound in principle even if they dispute the figures- and a small smattering of people who see the problem. So much for- well- anything really. Reasoned argument does not work with those to the right- the demonisation of the poor has worked. Go read Rawls.....

AEimiller
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 27 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:51:34 PM
This is capitalism hence walmart IS still very patriotic, even if it was as harmful as this "info"graph implies

intrigid
Male, 18-29, Canada
 916 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:50:22 PM
"It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant the conservatives here, are. How unaware of how the world really works, living inside their little bubbles. "

At least they understand basic economics. Walmart's profits have absolutely no relevance whatsoever to what they pay their employees. Just like any commodity, the price of labor is based on supply and demand. The government is killing demand for labor with its draconian labor laws and tax structures. It's really that simple.

When a country sees its wealthiest investors as prey to be feasted upon, that's when you know the feast will soon be coming to an end. Because fundamentally, trying to overcome poverty by taxing the rich is exactly the same as trying to overcome starvation by cannibalizing the farmers.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13534 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:24:05 PM
If Faith really is worth more than $8/hr., she should go work for someone who appreciates her true worth.

Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2855 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:41:24 PM
HE HAS MORE THAN ME BURN HIM

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4537 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:23:37 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant the conservatives here, are. How unaware of how the world really works, living inside their little bubbles.

Luckily, I know that there are extremes. Not all Liberals are hippies and not all Conservatives are asshats. We just happen to have a large collection of the hillbilly/hick Repulitards here on IAB. For the normal Conservative/Republicans, I know they don't represent you and I don't hold you responsible for their ignorance.

robthelurker
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2188 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:09:03 PM
this didnt tell us anything we didnt already know before. my question is, what are we supposed to do about it?

defendors87
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 614 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:18:52 PM
The walmart here makes non-managerial staff work less than 40 hours a week so they don't qualify for benefits. they have a very strict no overtime policy . They still pay you if your work over 40 hours but they will find any excuse to fire you. They pay just a little more than minimum (the more convenience store experience you have the more you're paid) I would say a good 80% of bottom level employees are on foodstamps and even that doesn't cover the grocery bill. I agree that Walmart can afford to raise the pay and/or available hours for every employee. That may not apply to every single Walmart, but it definitely does in Texas.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3258 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:17:37 PM
@B4NNDIT: I make a whole hell of a lot more than the majority of people in my profession. I still wouldn't suggest people get into it.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 426 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:08:49 PM
Sounds like someone doesn't understand what free market means. Get a job somewhere else. Can't find a job somewhere else? Too Bad, Should have gotten educated when you could. Sucks that you put all your eggs in one basket. Maybe you should try communism

B4NND1T
Male, 18-29, Western US
 14 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:11:46 PM
I work for Walmart too. They pay everyone at my store for their overtime. And we don't make minimum wage. In fact, I make far more (almost double) than at my last job in the food service industry.

They give a raise every year, and the amount depends on your performance. I work really hard and I get 60 cents more each year I continue to work for them. Not to mention they do share their profits with us in a program called "My Share". The quarterly bonus that each associate receives is based on the performance of their store and the number of hours the associate worked on average for that quarter.

This info-graph is BS. Maybe she shouldn't pop out a baby if she can't afford to care for one.

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:09:49 PM
...zero facts. Sorry, my post got cut off somehow. Whatever, I've had enough of this retarded debate, nobody is going to be convinced of anything no matter what I say, regardless of the obviousness of right and wrong.

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:07:53 PM
MeGrendel, I read what you wrote. Who are you to decide what profit Faith deserves? Are you saying that because Faith is so replaceable that she deserves to earn less? Than how little is too little?
" If she thinks it is, she can refuse to work for that little. (only problem, there are millions of unskilled that can take place). "
So she can refuse to work for that little? Than where can she go where she can get more? Ask ANY Walmart employee if they would leave for another job that pays more. I dare you to find one that would stay. That's true of ANY business.
It's like saying "if they don't like eating garbage, they don't have to! They're just too stupid and lazy to eat cake like the rest of us special people who REFUSE to eat garbage!"
And look, I didn't write the factoid that Walmart could take a profit-cut. I'm forming an opinion based on the facts presented. You claim they can't take a profit-cut despite constant-increasing profits based on z

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3619 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:58:35 PM
@MeGrendel - Don't give me that bullsh*t, hahaha! Everyone down south works slow compared to how sh*t runs up here. We've had plenty of guys come up here and sign the book when there was no work in their areas. 90% of the journeymen from the south I've seen on jobs up here were gone in two weeks, give or take a few days, because they were lazy.

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:58:08 PM
"In fact they should be held liable for employees that live outside their means and have an entitled attitude. "

One, you're already assuming that the employees are broke and require food stamps because they're living outside of their means. You do realize what it takes to qualify for food stamps, right? You can't get food stamps driving a mercedes benz and living in a home that could house 10 people. The government calls that "fraud" and takes that crap very seriously. In fact, even if you qualify it's still a severe pain in the butt just to prove it. I tried to prove to the government that even though I was still technically "employeed" by a company I was getting literally zero paychecks from it because that company decided to "cut my hours" down to zero for eternity. I literally gave up trying to prove it.
Anyway, I don't care how genius and successful you are, you don't deserve to make it rich by paying your employees so little

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:58:02 PM
SarahofBorg-"You clearly didn't even attempt to read this infographic."

You clearly are incapable of reading what I wrote.

SarahofBorg-"It literally states that Walmart makes enough PROFIT"

Yes, but Faith did not put in the work to earn ALL of that profit.

Her work is worth what they pay, no more. If she thinks it is, she can refuse to work for that little. (only problem, there are millions of unskilled that can take place).

SarahofBorg-"$5k a year without taking any kind of significant loss"

So you're the harbinger of what thier profith 'should' be? Doesn't work like that.

SarahofBorg-"There is no LACK of PROFIT from the work that employees are producing."

And you're probably under the impression that that profit goes directly underneath the Walton's mattresses.

Faith is getting paid for the work she does. She wants more? Put some effort into it. Any trained mon

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:51:10 PM
"Maybe if Faith had some more marketable job skills, she would generate more profit for her employer, which would warrent a raise. "

You clearly didn't even attempt to read this infographic. It literally states that Walmart makes enough PROFIT that they could pay their employees an extra $5k a year without taking any kind of significant loss. There is no LACK of PROFIT from the work that employees are producing.

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:49:13 PM
I like how some people think that those who accept food stamps are mooching off the government by receiving a handout. This is a very good argument for the contrary.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:40:41 PM
avail9988-"TL;DR pay Faith more money"

Maybe if Faith had some more marketable job skills, she would generate more profit for her employer, which would warrent a raise.

Maybe if Faith is a lousy worker and overpaid.

Or should everyone get $20/hr just for showing up?

Now, instead of keeping her under 40 hours a week so that they don't have to pay overtime (common, btw), thanks to Obamacare she will now be held to under 30 hours a week.

Let me guess, THAT's Walmart's fault too.

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2350 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:37:03 PM
"Runemang-"even to the extreme detriment of the other 99% of the population of the country that gave them the opportunity"

Sorry, the '99%' did not 'give them the opportunity'."


"...of the other 99% of the population of ***the country that gave them the opportunity***" :)

Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2274 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:32:23 PM
Damn Walmart for making people work for them! And Damn then for forcing me to shop there!

Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:23:15 PM

This of course ignores the idea that the profit is really only 24.7% of their gross profit already. But you're right, they should be cut down to 5% or 10% it's not like they created a service that millions of people use.

Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:23:06 PM
@cityncolour:

Regardless of your interpretation of MeGrendels' post I'd like to address some of the points you made.

- People chose to work there, in a free market where the price of a product is set at what someone is willing to pay the same is true in a work force the pay is set at what someone is willing to do. As a private buisness they only have the obligation they have is to stay in business. However most companies like walmart are willing to pay their employees more than some other businesses. Heck they even had great stock options to full time employees for a very long time.

- Slaves don't get paid and don't have a choice, people chose to work at walmart.

Liquidglass
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1111 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:22:50 PM

- What's sad is the parasitic relationship that is being suggested by this article and you. So the business that has formed over the years starting with just an idea doesn't deserve to keep all the profits they want, no, in fact they should be held liable for employees that live outside their means and have an entitled attitude.

- It doesn't sound like a big deal in the article to cut their profit in more than HALF, but that's only because it's a large number. Let's assume you own a business and the profit is $5,000 per year. And people rally and say you should only keep $2,000 of that and give the rest to your employees. Ridiculous right? Well it's the same situation, because there are always people that have less than you and believe it's only fair if you "share."



avail9988
Male, 18-29, Australia
 678 Posts
Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:21:16 PM
TL;DR pay Faith more money

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