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High School Student Comes Out Publicly To School

Hits: 21729 | Rating: (1.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:02:58 PM
People like MeGrendel are the people who really hate when other people distinguish themselves in any way because it makes them examine themselves. They are the ones who make fun of the smart kid in school because they themselves don't get good grades. They hate people who do well in sports, any people who get special recognition of any kind because it shines a light on their own mediocrity. Instead of improving themselves, they denigrate the people who are achieving or simply expressing themselves, like the guy in the video, rather than keeping a low profile. His kind doesn't want his thoughts provoked. He just wants to muddle through an average life and not be challenged to do more. Being unique is threatening to him.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:43:05 PM

Certainly, the vast majority of people don't give a damn whether someone is gay or not in this day and age. They *do* care if you're in their face about whatever your proclivities happen to be (we all hate straight couples that chew one another's face off in public, amIright? - hence the phrase "get a room"). Well, for most people unexpected public pronouncements of love for fellow man or woman fall into that same discomfiting category. People who make such pronouncements make other people uncomfortable, not because they're homophobic, but because they simply don't care about other people's shyt and wonder why you believed they might.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:42:57 PM

I know. How dare this talented actor make a positive role model out of himself for other LGBT teens. I for one am so damn proud of kids like this that have the courage to stand up for themselves. I only recommend it though if you know your school is safe.


LOL, get over yourself markust. Nobody said "how dare he". I made a personal observation from personal experience about the wisdom of being too open to too wide a group of people. When I was younger and stupider, I made the mistake of being public about a personal issue I was going through myself. Fortunately, it didn't affect me too much. What I learned from that experience was what I said earlier: nobody gives half as much of a damn about your shyt as you might think when you're young and/or dumb.

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SavageChef
Female, 50-59, Western US
 2085 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:41:10 PM
Who the hell cares? Hey, anyone want to hear about my sex preferences? >crickets chirping<
Yeah, I didn't think so.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:24:08 PM
I had an easy time in high school for the same reason Gerry did - I was in the closet. i didn't come out until I was 21. I stopped really caring what people thought around 30. I think it took longer for our generations to come out because we were all taught to be straight. There really weren't any gay role models. Gerry's generation even more so. Even though I had feelings one way the way I was taught drowned those out for a while. It's really weird to explain. Eventually your true person just overpowers what you have been taught that you are supposed to be. Being gay is definitely something you are born with. My brother and I were raised exactly the same in a very loving family. I would not have chosen this "lifestyle" at 21. I was roommates with a girl who was my soulmate in every way but attraction.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5413 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:23:31 PM
MeGrendel... well people should care about others. Being nice, kind and polite actually matters. Being rude and unpleasant is what causes more than a little trouble. Being deliberately horrid is not clever- it is really rather sad...

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:56:44 PM
Gerry1of1-"you have spent a great deal of time telling is why he should not do that"

I didn't say he shouldn't do it, I just said most people don't give a crap.

If it were 'no big deal', the video would never be seen. The deal is not his orientation, which very few care about. The deal is about the the deal that's been made of it. 'Aww, he so special....' Yes, he's as as special as 12-20 million other Americans (numbers may vary).

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5413 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:56:22 AM
Shame you had to move Gerry, but, times change. Too slowly I think though, and whilst not openly condoned I think the violence and bullying continues in too many places. Such a sensitive topic for some- and so bloody irrelevant- how much do gender and sexual orientation actually matter anyway. Sad..

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:46:13 AM

You're not being intrusive, ask me anything.
Tough time? Yes and no. I didn't have it too bad because I was not stupid enough to tell anyone. But here's what I saw happen to the "sissies" in high school.

The other boys would gang up on them in the showers and beat the crap out of them. The coach would see it and just walk away. The attitude was those kids needed to "man up" and a good beating would presumably encourage that. Anti-gay stuff was institutional. Gay kids had no where to turn. You couldn't "come out" the school would expel you. Gay teens were thrown out of the house to live on the streets back then.

But I had an okay time - I hid. As did my brother so growing up I didn't know I had a gay brother. Didn't find that out till I was 30. We both moved far, far away from home as soon as we legally could.

Anyway, times are different, and the condoned violence doesn't take place anymore. It's not perfect for gay kids,

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5413 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:49:53 AM
Just out of curiousity Gerry, I may be being intrusive, in which case please tell me to go and boil my head, and I can't be arsed to wade through half of this ghastly bigoted crap- but did you have a tough time as a teen? Do you feel this lads actions are helping?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:43:57 AM

@ MeGrendel

The phrase "I am gay" took all of 2 seconds to say. You say you don't care, nobody gives a crap, but you have spent a great deal of time telling is why he should not do that. If you, or others like you, really don't care why have you spent so much energy on the topic?

If you didn't care I should think your response would be saying "whatever" silently in your head and moving on to the next post.

Seems like you do care a lot. Which is exactly why he had to do this publicly.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5413 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:31:20 AM
So nice to see a lad putting himself out there, hope it helps others. It is a real shame that we live in a time when being gay, or transgender leaves people open to abuse. If people behave as this young man did then hopefully the bigotry will die quickly.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:24:30 AM
Musuko42-"Please answer it. "

I did. In the exact same way you came to your conclusion. based on the only evidence available.

Show me more evidence, and I may change my mind. I'm not dumb enough to think I'm absolutely right based on little evidence.

I just give my opinion. I'm not presenting it as fact in any way. That IS what it was posted for, to foster a discussion.

insane_ai
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 686 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:22:16 AM
@insane_ai

"Go back to the closet a-hole. no-one does a coming out event for being straight."

Yes they do. It's called a wedding. It happens all the time. It's as public as public gets.



Your argument would have been valid a few years ago but now that homosexuals can move to a state where gay marriage is legally recognized, your argument fails as both sides have the same opportunity available to them.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2824 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:46:25 AM
@MeGrendel

"In exactly the same way you 'think' it IS the case."

I didn't say I think it is the case. Read what I said again. I asked you why you think it ISN'T the case.

Because I don't think it is the case (all I think is that it *might* happen, or something similar, based on my personal experience that it HAS happened before in a very similar way), you haven't answered my question. Please answer it.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:44:25 AM
Musuko42-"How the F*CK do you know that wasn't the case?"

In exactly the same way you 'think' it IS the case.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2824 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:34:44 AM
@MeGrendel

"Rosa Parks risked assault and death to make a stand."

So do far too many gay people in your country and, to a lesser extent, mine.

"They DID something."

And how do you know this kid hasn't?

How do you know there isn't some other kid in that crowd who felt so miserable and close to suicide because he or she felt alone with their secret...but then this day happened and they felt their peers around them stand up and applaud and cheer, and they realise that they needn't be alone, and they could be who they are without fear of those around them?

And it just took one other person to speak out to get them to realise it.

How the F*CK do you know that wasn't the case?

It happened to me, once upon a time.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:32:45 AM
Musuko42-"That doesn't mean you give up and stop trying."

Of course not. But this guy was not trying to do anything but feel 'special'.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2824 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:32:06 AM
@MeGrendel

"This guy WAS NOT trying to change things. He was an attention whore."

What are you basing that on? That's just, like, your opinion maaaaan.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:31:38 AM
Musuko42-"Rosa Parks...", "Martin Luther King Jr...", "How about Gandhi?"

Rosa Parks risked assault and death to make a stand.
Martin Luther King Jr was assassinated for his stance and his speeches. Had he know he would be killed, I'm sure he would have done it anyway.
Gandhi sacrificed alot and faced violence and death to stand for what he believed in.

They DID something.

Comparing this attention whore to them is an insult.

Musuko42-"This kid is now more famous than you are."

So is Snooki & Honey Boo Boo. Fame doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. You used to be famous for what you accomplished. Now you're more likely to be famous for being a drug adict.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2824 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:31:21 AM
@MeGrendel

"Yes, they shouldn't happen. But guess what, humans being what they are you are not going to change it in some people."

That doesn't mean you give up and stop trying.

"My POINT, which you seem unable to grasp, is that standing up and saying 'I'm a geek' in an attempt to get people to faun over you is not 'doing something'."

And my point is that you don't know that is the reason he made this speech. You're just projecting.

Perhaps because you feel a need for attention, and aren't getting it, and assume that everyone else has that same need.

Who are you to say that his reason wasn't just to make the world a little better for himself and people who are in a similar situation to him?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:26:33 AM
Musuko42-"don't sling mud at those who are actually trying to change things for the better."

This guy WAS NOT trying to change things. He was an attention whore.

Show me a person who is gay, who fights back and/or outs a homophobe bigot, and I'll show you a person who's DOING SOMETHING.

Rosa Parks DID SOMETHING.

Musuko42-"What on earth were you expecting?"

"Thank you for the award. I appreciate the teachers and students who supported me and voted for me, because it was with their help and support that I became the actor I am today." (not "I'm a good actor becasue I'm gay")

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4367 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:26:13 AM
Musuko42-"How are you not able to see that ALL of those things shouldn't happen, and should most definitely be spoken against and fought against?"

Damn, you're an idiot.

Yes, they shouldn't happen. But guess what, humans being what they are you are not going to change it in some people. Small minded people will always seek to be-little anyone different.

My POINT, which you seem unable to grasp, is that standing up and saying 'I'm a geek' in an attempt to get people to faun over you is not 'doing something'.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2824 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:23:32 AM
@MeGrendel

What exactly is your complaint here? That he did this out of personal aggrandisement rather than to further the cause of gay rights?

Rosa Parks got pretty damn famous after her stunt. Are you going to accuse her of the same thing? Because for all you know, that is why she did it, and it worked.

Martin Luther King Jr, him too?

How about Gandhi? He got pretty famous out of his salt protest. Going to accuse him of being a self-promoter too?

This kid is now more famous than you are, because he is being viewed by hundreds/thousands/who knows people...and you, as far as I am aware (and I am ready to stand corrected), are not.

Bit jealous then?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2824 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:20:43 AM
@MeGrendel

"He wasn't fighting back. He was attempting to make himself feel special."

How can you tell? You're inside his head, are you? That's...a bit kinky.

"Try to legalize gay marriage"

...we are. You HAVE noticed that going on, haven't you?


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