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Misleading Anti-Gun Article In Chicago Trib [Pic]

Hits: 12140 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: whodat6484
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25660 Posts
Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:33:41 AM
@FoolsPrussia: Ah! He finally links it! (lolz!)
Oh wait, no you didn't! That's the correction. Grrr.

The Chic Trib probably has had that "Motto" for over 100 years, I seriously doubt they believe in "Conservatism" at the copy-desk level. The reporters and editors & etc are 90% Democrat & liberal or they'll never pass J-School.


auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10125 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:05:05 PM
"However, they are definitely the conservative leaning paper in Chicago."

There's no such thing as a conservative anything in Chicago.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:20:23 PM
Why'd they feel the need to show one with a shorter than legal barrel other than to add to how scary some people think it looks? (sentence got cut off, and the fine print is on the bottom left, not right) Here's what the real reason for this all is...


whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:14:31 PM
OK, here's the corrected version of the article/graphic. All the info is the same except the sling swivel mistake.

The wording in it bothers me because I think it's meant to scare people who don't know better. They say, "some find the flash suppressor controversial as it could also make the flash less visible, allowing a shooter to conceal his position." I've never heard that one before as it's mainly there to keep you from going blind if you shoot at night and even with it you can still see the muzzle flash easily. They flat out say that the pistol grip makes it look scary so you don't have to read into that one, hahaha! There's a lot here to pick apart, also notice the fine print in the bottom right. Why'd they feel the need to show one with a shorter than legal barrel other than to add

DinVen
Male, 30-39, Europe
 383 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:48:17 PM
A journalist made a mistake. Shocking!

The paranoia is strong with the gun fetishists.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:36:33 PM
"Most definitely. Looking this up I learned that their endorsement of Obama in 2008 was the first time in the paper's 161-year history it had backed a Democrat for president."

Yeah, and in Chicago no less.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14358 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:36:06 PM
The ignorance is strong in this one. Of course, that doesn't stop him from just making stuff up to advance his liberal anti-constitutional agenda.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:34:41 PM
"However, they are definitely the conservative leaning paper in Chicago."

Most definitely. Looking this up I learned that their endorsement of Obama in 2008 was the first time in the paper's 161-year history it had backed a Democrat for president.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:22:16 PM
@Whodat: Yeah, I don't know why they removed it either. Maybe they have some paywall that makes some of their articles less accessible.

Anyway, none of this makes sense to me. Is it misinformation to state that a grenade launcher can be affixed to an M16? It can be affixed using a mount, correct? That doesn't really point to bias or agenda. Sure, it might be a case of the blind leading the blind, but if the agenda is to make M16's look dangerous because a grenade launcher can be mounted, then it really doesn't matter where they say it gets mounted because it can be mounted nonetheless.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:14:51 PM
"When something doesn't make sense don't you have the curiosity to look up the truth? The Chicago Tribune endorsed Obama in 2008 and in 2012."

Shoot, you're right. That was my mistake. However, they are definitely the conservative leaning paper in Chicago.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:33:28 PM
@FoolsPrussia - I'm sure the original article was taken off their website as soon as they saw this picture all over the place, it was in the paper on Friday 1/18. I haven't been able to find it either.

The article was titled "Just what is an Assault Weapon?" and basically was a graphic illustrating the specific features that put a rifle into the "assault rifle" category. The whole point of it was to educate people who have little or no knowledge of firearms and it turned out to be a clear case of the blind leading the blind. What has me leaning towards the possibility of it being done intentionally is where it's coming from, Chicago, IL. IL is the only state that doesn't allow concealed carry and they're currently trying to pass legislation that could ban all "modern firearms" as they call them.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:32:52 PM
"Oh, and guess who the Tribune endorsed for president in 2012. Mitt Romney. That's right, they endorsed Romney over their hometown boy. Not exactly who you'd expect to be colluding with Obama."

When something doesn't make sense don't you have the curiosity to look up the truth? The Chicago Tribune endorsed Obama in 2008 and in 2012.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17130 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:30:02 PM
Leave it to the liberal media to use such tripe to keep trying to scaremonger people into loosing their essential liberties.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:50:47 PM
And sorry if I'm a little touchy on this, but I studied journalism in school and I'm more likely than most to give professional journalists the benefit of the doubt in a case such as this (unless they work for one of the entertainment news outlets such as Fox or MSNBC). It's easy to criticize reporters without knowing how inexact a science journalistic ethics really is.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:48:22 PM
@whodat: Understood, but this is far from an egregious error from what I can tell. Grenade launchers and bayonets can be attached to an M16, just not using the sling attachment, correct?

I know you're more fair-minded than a lot of the people posting in this thread. However, I don't think it's fair to say that the comments under the correction are proof of bias. If someone makes a false claim about evolution on the internet, you're more than likely going to find a throng of comments challenging the notion.

I couldn't seem to find the original article on the website. Have you read it? I would like to see it before I make my mind up regarding intentional distortion of the subject at hand. You're correct that it's their job to present the facts correctly, but until you show me the original article, I fail to see any evidence of that.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:38:49 PM
@FoolsPrussia - Read the comments on that apology/correction the paper made. Everyone seems to be on the same sheet of music. As journalists they're responsible for providing accurate information to the public. I guarantee you that many who saw that now have it in their heads that the information was correct and they'll never see that apology/correction made by the editor.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3707 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:29:59 PM
The only reason they issued a "correction" is because they were probably flooded with calls & emails from readers telling them they either don't know what they're talking about or they're intentionally throwing disinformation out there to sell papers and/or get attention.

The truth is that if you pay close attention to what you see coming from the majority of news sources they're all biased in one way or another to give the advantage to whatever side they happen to be on. It's not just Faux News, they're all guilty of that. They're able to sway peoples opinions on subjects very easily because there are a lot of very gullible people out there. Once they hear something for the first time that becomes the truth to them and regardless of what new evidence comes to light they stick with what they heard first and call everyone else a liar.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:57:55 PM
Oh, and guess who the Tribune endorsed for president in 2012. Mitt Romney. That's right, they endorsed Romney over their hometown boy. Not exactly who you'd expect to be colluding with Obama.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:46:33 PM
I got cut off at the end. The rest of the quote is: "It believes in free markets, free will and freedom of expression. These principles, while traditionally conservative, are guidelines and not reflexive dogmas."

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:45:34 PM
@5Cats: I missed that.

Anyway, I just looked it up. Here is a correction issued by the paper

Maybe you guys ought to read that.

I would also like to point out that the Chicago Tribune has long been known as a conservative leaning newspaper. In fact, my great uncle Willard Edwards was the White House correspondent for many years, and he himself was a Republican.

From Wikipedia:

"The Chicago Tribune believes in the traditional principles of limited government; maximum individual responsibility; minimum restriction of personal liberty, opportunity and enterprise. It believes in free markets, free will and f

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25660 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:27:32 PM
I can't link to the article because I have no idea what the source is,

@FoolsPrussia: The "Chicago Tribune" perhaps? like it says in the title? Just a hint, eh? If YOU want to drag the article into it? Then YOU can link it.

It's a "simple mistake" just like 1,000 others the MSM has made in the (recent) past. And ALL those "mistakes" have one thing in common: they promote the "liberal" agenda. Coincidence? Flip a coin 1,000 times and it's "all tails"? No, not likely...

Dan Rather: Kennedy's head moved forward and to the right.
This document proves Bush was dishonerably discharged.

See a pattern here? Go "wiki" Dan Rather yourself...

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:11:27 PM
"A picture is worth 1,000 words, which is more than IAB allows...
#2 3/4 of the public will glance at the headline and picture and form their opinions based on that...
#3 I work with what I got! Is the article linked? Nope. Did you link it? Nope. From the tiny bit I can read, is it 99% likely to be bullcrap? YUP!"

You claimed it was intentionally misleading. The best we can assume from this is that it was a mistake. I can't link to the article because I have no idea what the source is, and it's not my responsibility to do so. The onus is on those of you who are so quick to jump to a conclusion to back up your statements with fact. Otherwise, you're just as misleading as you claim the newspaper to be.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25660 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:06:34 PM
@5Cats: And you got that all from one little picture,

@FoolsPrussia: #1 A picture is worth 1,000 words, which is more than IAB allows...
#2 3/4 of the public will glance at the headline and picture and form their opinions based on that...
#3 I work with what I got! Is the article linked? Nope. Did you link it? Nope. From the tiny bit I can read, is it 99% likely to be bullcrap? YUP!

It's a common pattern: disinform the public to sway opinion away from "logic" and towards "emotion". It's happened 100 times before and it'll happen 100 times after today. It works: no reason to change it. Sheep will be sheep after all...

skypirate
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2072 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:33:12 PM
you need a rather hard to get license for a proper grenade launcher in the US


not really. you can buy them w/o a license and shoot all the training (chalk) rounds you can afford.

yes it takes a special amount of permit and money to get the grenades, just not the launcher

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:30:53 PM
@5Cats: And you got that all from one little picture, and not from reading the actual article?

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