 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 14374 Posts
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Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:47:15 AM
markust: Well I can assure you that military tactics now are not 'spray and pray'. Our military is trained to be accurate and disciplined under fire, not only for tactical reasons but to minimize any collateral damage and loss of innocent life.
Sure, there are times Full-Auto might be the necessary setting on an M-4/M-16 in battle, but as a general rule it is not. |
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 Dover78
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
222 Posts
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Friday, January 25, 2013 9:54:58 PM
I envy that man. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Friday, January 25, 2013 11:58:13 AM
"Tactics have changed a lot since WWII, both Korea and Vietnam taught us many tactical lessons."
I am sure many tactics have changed a lot since WWII. Not sure what has changed with a moving target. They are still hard to hit. And it is probably still true that soldiers are more likely to fire a rapid fire weapon in battle. Even when trained to kill I bet it is hard for some people to aim a gun at someone. Being able to spray bullets takes away some of that stigma. I bet the same thing can be said for mass shootings. Really not sure what your point is. The report was used as research for the project to create the M16. This was looking forward not backwards. They were applying lessons of WWII for future battles. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:40:25 PM
markust: In 1948 the main single-man automatic rifles were the BAR and the Thompson Sub-Machine Gun. Neither were built to be accurate to 100 yards or more. Back then spray and pray was the norm, that is no longer the case.
Tactics have changed a lot since WWII, both Korea and Vietnam taught us many tactical lessons.
One of which is that you don't gamble with a Sicilian when death is on the line.
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 drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
1391 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:17:44 PM
@Coffeetalk - so you think this picture is normality? Keep talking, the guards are narrowing your position down. |
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:19:22 PM
How do we know this isn't just a staged stock photo news organizations can buy when they need a photo of a "gun nut"? It seams a little too perfect with the Glenn Beck, flag and all. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10208 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:15:25 AM
Obama should preach for house control so we can sell all houses up for sale and solve the real estate problem. Then my house would be worth way more like my guns! |
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 madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2848 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:11:13 AM
Okay- he's forgiven the paint. Only the paint. Still think he must be hung like a hamster... |
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 VikingGuy
Male, 18-29, Europe
2386 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:08:41 AM
to be fair, looking at the walls and carpet, i more suspect it's simply his lighting or his camera´s light detection at fault for it all being yellow.
i have the same effect occur when i take a photo indoors and don't set my camera's light filters. |
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madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2848 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:51:41 AM
Okay, so setting light to the place wouldn't help. Still have the word twat in there. Also- micro penis... another odd word that comes to mind. Vile paint too. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10208 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:50:13 AM
@madduck
Nah they're all contained in shells meaning they'd all go off at different times and seperatly. As for projectiles flying everywhere that also wouldn't happen because the bullet has to be pushed through a barrel to reach a high velocity if it fires in open air the majority of energy is dissipated. |
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madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2848 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:35:24 AM
am I right in thinking that a house fire might have explosive consequences? The word twat springs to mind- can't think why.... |
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:30:01 AM
Sorry, Project ALCLAD was the study I was quoting. Project SALVO was the one that lead to the creation of the M16. |
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:23:51 AM
"Perhaps some reading on military tactics and history would be in order, because an M-16 in Full-Auto is not accurate and not the preferred mode for it in the field. The military doesn't like spraying bullets around, they prefer accuracy."
I do like reading and learning. What you are saying contradicts what I learned from reading about the 1948 Project SALVO study that was part of an M16 article. What I read is the chance of being hit in combat is random, that aiming made little difference because the targets no longer sit still. That the number one predictor of casualties was the total number of bullets fired. Also soldiers armed with rapid fire weapons were much more likely to have fired their weapons in battle. That is where I came up with my conclusion. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:25:51 AM
markust: Full-Auto mode on any weapon is not specifically made for killing a lot of people quickly. Full-Auto is for covering fire, strafing, keeping your enemies heads down and out of the fight until they can be out maneuvered or other area-affect weapons, like mortars, can be engaged on the enemy.
Full-Auto mode on weapons with even 30 round clips go through ammo very quickly. That's why commanders prefer their troops to keep their guns on Semi-Auto at most times. The Squad Automatic Weapon, or SAW, is the weapon that is preferred to be used in Full-Auto for covering fire.
Perhaps some reading on military tactics and history would be in order, because an M-16 in Full-Auto is not accurate and not the preferred mode for it in the field. The military doesn't like spraying bullets around, they prefer accuracy. |
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 dm2754
Male, 30-39, Western US
2763 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:51:18 AM
whare dose he live.
i would love to Burgle his house. those guns are like piles of gold |
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 Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
480 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:35:07 AM
@CoffeeTalk, so how is the therapy for anger management going? |
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 CoffeeTalk
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
192 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:01:52 AM
@drawman61: Only a typical YOUR-OH-PEE-EN "Doosh-bag" would post this. What the phuque is wrong with you Id-iots? |
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drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
1391 Posts
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Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:49:36 AM
@AywooJablome - that's the best made up name I've seen for a while. |
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 AywooJablome
Male, 40-49, Western US
34 Posts
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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:47:43 PM
That there is a burglar's dream - an absolute gold mine. A robber, on the other hand, would be in trouble. |
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 Francakes
Female, 18-29, Western US
157 Posts
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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:39:46 PM
Typical? |
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 RAFTE
Male, 18-29, Western US
18 Posts
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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:30:31 PM
revolution ! |
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 Corydoras87
Male, 18-29, Europe
612 Posts
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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:10:24 PM
So was the Mauser k98 a perfect bolt action rifle. It was also used as the primary infantry weapon in WW1 and WW2 for the germans. Would that mean it's also an assault weapon?
yes.
Assault weapon, yes. Assault rifle, no. It has no detachable magazine and does not fire medium-powered rounds (between handgun and ordinary rifle like the ones in your picture) |
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Corydoras87
Male, 18-29, Europe
612 Posts
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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:05:38 PM
imagine that: Gun owner with 3 million machine guns in his house gets shot by burglar with a tiny lady-gun. Where is the justicein thaaat? can't you see? wake up sheepies!! Clearly normal people should be allowed to have machine guns in their home for self defense.. a normal hand gun just doesn't cut the cheese when a burglar with a lady gun breaks in.
Bullet is bullet.. |
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 Badenov
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
142 Posts
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Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:14:41 PM
The guns don't bother me but that urine yellow interior decorating motif scares the he11 out of me. |
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