 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:15:33 AM
Why is rape and murder illegal? I mean criminals do it anyway right? Right? RIGHT?
Murder is too which didn't stop the shooters so how would gun laws?
As for mag size you can change a mag pretty quick doubt it would've had a massive impact. High caps will be grandfathered again making everyone look for the millions of preban mags making the only thing accomplished is a price increase for preban mags. This was attempted from 1994 to 2004(i think around there) it did nothing. |
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 auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8692 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:15:15 AM
"Can you say with certainty that there would not have been as much damage if the Aurora shooter was only able to get 10 round magazines instead of the 100 round he used?"
Please watch this video for my reply.....
...and this one...
...and this one...
...and this one... |
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 HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2043 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:13:42 AM
He obtained these things legally because they were legal. Exactly. My point is making it illegal isn't going to stop him from getting the exact same gun/magazines and doing the exact same thing. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2911 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:12:49 AM
AJ
"more than 900 Americans have been killed by guns."
NO THEY HAVEN'T!
Those people were killed by, people."
You are splitting hairs, but I do agree. Allow me to rephrase that.
"more than 900 Americans have been killed WITH guns."
Does that make you feel better? |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2868 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:12:31 AM
It's amazing. Now you guys are attacking the very principle of laws and law enforcement. So there's no point in having streetlights because bad drivers won't follow them? |
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 VikingGuy
Male, 18-29, Europe
2386 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:12:22 AM
vague and fail to address any of the actual issues that caused the debate in the first place. also murder was and still is a crime, yet social issues that lead to it are completely ignored. |
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HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2043 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:11:34 AM
by "hurt" I mean added expense. (Come on, there is no way the cost isn't going to go up from added background checks and what not).
Because wackos go on shooting sprees doesn't mean everyone who owns guns are bad too. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2911 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:09:55 AM
HalfPintRoo
"Criminals do not follow the laws."
The Aurora shooter followed the laws and obtained all his ammunition legally. OK? So stop saying that. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2911 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:09:05 AM
HalfPintRoo
"these laws aren't going to change the bad things, it's just going to hurt those who do follow laws."
Well let's look at recent events.
The Aurora shooter obtained his guns and ammo legally. So, assuming he would have behaved the same, had these laws been in action he would have only had 10 round magazines instead of 100.
The Sandy Hook shooter got his guns from his mother who obtained them legally. So, assuming he would have behaved the same, had these laws been in action she and then he would not have had the AR 15 (if this law bans that).
Right?
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HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2043 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:08:51 AM
I do agree that 100 rounds compared to 10 is not necessary (for this example), but making it law isn't going to stop those who want to do evil. Criminals do not follow the laws. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25639 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:08:26 AM
In summary, spend half a billion dollars with the result that you have not kept one person safe from gun violence.
Good Job POTUS! |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8692 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:07:09 AM
"During his announcement, Obama stated that in the month since the massacre in Newtown, more than 900 Americans have been killed by guns."
NO THEY HAVEN'T!
Those people were killed by, people. How many were crimes? How many were justifiable self defense?
Why does the media let him get away with this crap?!?!?! |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2868 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:06:53 AM
"my point is, these laws aren't going to change the bad things, it's just going to hurt those who do follow laws."
This is a vague statement that you need to explain. Why exactly would universal background checks and anti-trafficking measures hurt law-abiding citizens? |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2911 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:04:35 AM
McGovern1981
"Won't do a thing."
Can you say with certainty that there would not have been as much damage if the Aurora shooter was only able to get 10 round magazines instead of the 100 round he used? He purchased all the magazines legally. |
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HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2043 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:04:13 AM
@FoolsPrussia- my point is, these laws aren't going to change the bad things, it's just going to hurt those who do follow laws. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2911 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:02:22 AM
HalfPintRoo
"because criminals wont do anything illegal"
EXCELLENT POINT. That is what I keep saying.
Why is rape and murder illegal? I mean criminals do it anyway right? Right? RIGHT? |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2868 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:00:28 AM
"Oh good. I feel safer. There will be no more school shootings after these laws are set in place, because criminals wont do anything illegal."
Why don't you move somewhere that has no laws at all, if they are so pointless? |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2911 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:00:09 AM
Requiring criminal background checks on all gun sales, including private sales
Banning "military-style" assault weapons
Limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds
Strengthening penalties for gun trafficking
Seems reasonable to me. Let the debate begin.
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10235 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:58:28 AM
Will items before this repeat of 1994 be grandfathered? Does this overide NYs ridiculous laws of 7 rounds? |
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HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2043 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:57:36 AM
Oh good. I feel safer. There will be no more school shootings after these laws are set in place, because criminals wont do anything illegal. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10235 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:56:28 AM
Banning military-style assault weapons
Very vauge most gun designs come from a military background.
10 round mag cap
Won't do a thing. |
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 fancylad
Male, 30-39, Western US
2512 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:38:52 AM
Link: What's In President Obamas Gun Control Package? [Rate Link] - Obama announced a $500 million package from suggestions put forth by VP Joe Biden's task force on gun control. Read up! |
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