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What's In President Obamas Gun Control Package?

Hits: 6109 | Rating: (1.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3631 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:49:09 AM
FoolsPrussia-"Are you referring to the payroll tax holiday expiring?"

Which is a raise in taxes.

Other taxes on those making less than $250,000 (who he promised would see no increase in taxes):
Doubled-taxes on tobacco products.
10% tax on tanning services (that one sounded racist to me).
Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
Taxes on health savings accounts.
Taxes on Medical Device manufacturers (so your kids braces cost more)
Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided Drug coverage.
Blue Cross/Blue Shield tax hike.

And this is just some of the taxes already inacted. Over the next decade there will be many more.

tedgp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3275 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:48:43 AM
@halfpintroo Nope it wont. But it will make it much harder and will allow law enforcement to do something should they see or even suspect someone has one.

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:48:40 AM
@FoolsPrussia- so you think that the kid who killed his mother, school children and adults would have stopped and said "No, I can't, there is a law banning such weapons so I'll never get my hands on them" or even "well these weapons are illegal so I will use these other legal ones"

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1759 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:46:35 AM
Irony:We need guns to protect ourselves from gun-nuts.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3157 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:45:50 AM
@dang007: No, what I'm doing is refuting the argument people have made here that laws don't stop criminals.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:40:19 AM
>>>So there's no point in having streetlights because bad drivers won't follow them?<<<

What a horrendous argument. We have street light because GOOD drivers follow them AND they help reduce accidents and increase the flow of traffic in general.

Are you saying that banning assault rifles (what ever that is) will prevent law abiding citizens from massacring children in a school? If so I suggest that you may be focusing on the wrong problem.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3631 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:37:54 AM
HolyGod-"Why is rape and murder illegal? I mean criminals do it anyway right? Right? RIGHT?"

Yes, they do. You don't think laws against rape and murder actually deter either, do you? They're illegal so that the perp can be punished afterward.

In this case, he's punishing law abiding citizens due to the actions of criminals.

A more accurate anology of this situation to rape is: Some criminals rape, so we will outlaw 'assault penises' of law abiding citizens, and any over 2" (so you're safe).

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3157 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:36:11 AM
"However, from my own observations, there seems to be an unreasonably large following of people who fit into that category."

Yeah, that's unfortunate. I think people in general are lazy about politics and only want to participate when there's an election.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3157 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:35:18 AM
"Don't forget the taxes or have you not noticed the difference in your paycheck yet? So much for helping the middle class."

Are you referring to the payroll tax holiday expiring?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12716 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:31:33 AM
Just do it quietly please.


Can't silencers are class 3 so only the rich can have them.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12716 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:30:25 AM
I'm not saying military grade weapons should be in the hands of anyone who passes a background.


Most guns are military grade. They're designed from something like the military uses or for a contract with the military. That's the history of most guns designs.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 4371 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:29:33 AM
All I can say is - you can keep your damn guns. Those things are dangerous, they make it far too easy to kill someone- as long as we do not get them here (just as we seem to get everything else we don't really want- please take back McDonalds) you can all go and shoot each other all you like. Just do it quietly please.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:29:25 AM
You do realize that a lot of us are constantly criticizing Obama for being too weak on the banks and for ramping up drone strikes and anti-civil liberties legislation?

Of course, in which case I would suggest that you are not one of the 'drones' referenced by McGovern.

However, from my own observations, there seems to be an unreasonably large following of people who fit into that category.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12716 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:29:13 AM
@FoolsPrussia

Don't forget the taxes or have you not noticed the difference in your paycheck yet? So much for helping the middle class.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3157 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:27:43 AM
"but didn't obama say he wasn't EVER going to take any guns? oh, thats right, he did. But then again, he also said he wasn't going to raise your taxes either..."

And he hasn't broken that promise here. He suggested the Assault Weapons Ban, but that's up to congress. And even if that passes, it only applies to new sales.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3157 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:26:34 AM
"I've never seen a group of people so willing to blindly and faithfully follow and defend the actions of one person."

You do realize that a lot of us are constantly criticizing Obama for being too weak on the banks and for ramping up drone strikes and anti-civil liberties legislation?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:23:41 AM
@McGovern

Don't call out the messiah his drones can't take the truth.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that this is so true. I've never seen a group of people so willing to blindly and faithfully follow and defend the actions of one person.

Now, I haven't been alive during the presidency of a popular Republican, so I must wonder if it was the same way for Reagan followers.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12716 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:23:12 AM
I'll be keeping my high caps I like to shoot not reload and I refuse to be punished for other peoples actions.

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:21:48 AM
I'm not saying there shouldn't be laws. I'm not saying military grade weapons should be in the hands of anyone who passes a background. I'm not saying I agree with automatic weapons being available to anyone.

I'm just saying, those 20 kids in CT wouldn't have been saved because these laws are in place.

I'm tired of people using that (and other massacres) to push this through. They try to say these things WILL STOP HAPPENING if these laws are passed.

They aren't going to stop.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12716 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:20:58 AM
@emmettyville

Don't call out the messiah his drones can't take the truth.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:19:45 AM
So there's no point in having streetlights because bad drivers won't follow them?

Not quite the same thing. A better analogy would be that we shouldn't have laws making it illegal to run a redlight rather than getting rid of stoplights.

There is evidence that removing the enforcement of these laws inversely correlates with accident rates. So, the argument could very well be made that we should get rid of stoplight laws.

However, the key consideration is that the vast majority (not just the slight majority) of society find those laws and punishments to be righteous. Thus, the laws are effective.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12716 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:19:21 AM
Banning "military-style" assault weapons



Now please give me a definition of that cause the military uses pistols, shotguns and rifles.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 505 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:18:04 AM
Laws make no difference seems to be main argument here because people break them. No arguing with that logic, might as well just shoot them, so what if there is there a law against it.

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4113 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:15:53 AM
but didn't obama say he wasn't EVER going to take any guns? oh, thats right, he did. But then again, he also said he wasn't going to raise your taxes either...

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2305 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:15:37 AM
Why is rape and murder illegal? I mean criminals do it anyway right? Right? RIGHT?

The answer is twofold. First, the authority to become a law comes from the fact that rape and murder directly infringe on the rights of others. Second, the law is effective ONLY because the vast majority of society considers the law moral and righteous. If you doubt this, consider why rape laws are more effective than drug laws.

Can you say with certainty that there would not have been as much damage if the Aurora shooter was only able to get 10 round magazines instead of the 100 round he used?

The same result could have been achieved with 10 magazines of 10 rounds. We can examine this further if you would like.

had these laws been in action she and then he would not have had the AR 15

He would have then used the several pistols he brought - same result.

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