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What's In President Obamas Gun Control Package?

Hits: 6115 | Rating: (1.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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rosieodonnel
Male, 18-29, Western US
 27 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:17:53 PM
@HolyGod

It sounded reasonable, until I read that $500 mil part. $500 mil could save an entire school district and then some.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10129 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:23:43 PM
Whatever happened to Madest?

I miss him in times like these.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17180 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:12:05 PM
What happened to "...and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"?

He's breaking his oath of office and should be arrested and impeached.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:06:30 PM
I also don't support switching to the imperial system, I don't know why you are.


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:04:53 PM
I also don't support switching to the imperial system, I don't know why you are.

@patchy: I'm speaking about American Gun Laws, so I used American Highway laws (and terminology) as a result, ok?

All mere assumptions with no basis in fact.

Quite the opposite: Some Provinces tried to demand hundreds of millions per year to defray the costs of Registration, but the Liberals refused (of course!).
On average: 1 billion per year by the Feds, and 1 billion per year by all the Provinces, MINIMUM was spent.

"query results have proven beneficial during major operations."

That's a bare-faced LIE and you know it!
Are you suggesting, just for one second, that drug dealers REGISTERED ALL THEIR RIFLES with police? And that if the Registry showed they didn't have one, the cops DID NOT peresume they were armed anyhow?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:48:30 PM
@patchy: How about the 10 MPH speed limit? You'd support that, right? Saves the environment, saves children's lives! For reals, not "in theory"...

I wouldn't support it, in point of fact, because it would destroy the economy by creating mass shipping delays, mail delivery delays, etc. I also don't support switching to the imperial system, I don't know why you are.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:47:00 PM
Taking cops off the streets?
Cutting budgeets to meet new expenses?
Filling courtrooms with "paperwork crimes"?


All mere assumptions with no basis in fact. Hint: courtrooms already have "paperwork crimes" all the time, I fail to see how a background check system will dramatically increase this.

As to the long gun registry, your assertion that it didn't help solve any crimes is false. The majority of police wanted to keep the registry, and a CAFC survey found that 74% of general duty officers said that "query results have proven beneficial during major operations." But since they aren't implementing a long-gun registry, your point is moot.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:42:51 PM
@5cats: I missed the part where a gun registry was the same as a background check.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:42:48 PM
Bush used 9/11 to take all sorts of freedoms, for example...the patriot act.

@turdy: Exactly! I sure didn't like it at the time, and now there's lots of money spent, with little to NO increased safety & security!
Sound familiar?
I remember how the left HOWLED with outrage (even though the Democrats in Washington fully supported it) over things like that, but this? It's OK because it's Obama?
Gimmie a break!

@patchy: How about the 10 MPH speed limit? You'd support that, right? Saves the environment, saves children's lives! For reals, not "in theory"...

There's a reason why the "55 MPH" laws were overturned...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:37:31 PM
Wow, you must be some kind of diviner to know that. All hail Nostra-dumbass.

@patchy: Taking cops off the streets?
Cutting budgeets to meet new expenses?
Filling courtrooms with "paperwork crimes"?

These are things which allow real criminals to go about thier business (crime, murder) un-opposed! And with the civilians disarmed to boot!

So YES, it's like the nose on your face, eh?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:34:44 PM
And how is ensuring that only those allowed to have guns have them *not* chasing bad guys again?

@patchy: You're Canadian, you ought to know the answer:
In Canada, police forces, both Federal and Provincial, spend millions of dollars and millions of "man-hours" implimenting the "long rifle registry".
ALL of those dollars and ALL of those hours were taken AWAY from "law enforcement" and put into "registration enforcement".
ALL THAT TIME AND MONEY could have solved or prevented actual crimes! Except the police were busy... with paperwork!
And arresting people for having "typos" in that paperworks...

And I repeat: not ONE crime prevented, not ONE crime solved.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3682 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:33:47 PM

I don't like how the sandy hook tragedy is being used for political gain. Tragedy is good for politicians to force their agenda, especially when the agenda includes removing civil liberty's and constitutional rights. It's not just the left. Bush used 9/11 to take all sorts of freedoms, for example...the patriot act.

It's not right to play on peoples emotions for politics. I effin love America and it's people, but hate our current politicians, government, and...well...the whole damn system.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:33:11 PM
It will actually CAUSE more crime, CAUSE more death! Nice, eh?

Wow, you must be some kind of diviner to know that. All hail Nostra-dumbass.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:29:52 PM
Thank you, 5Cats

You're welcome @HalfPintRoo! You've done an excellent job thus far yourself, all while being polite too!

Unlike many "left wing positions" this one is really, seriously flawed! There isn't even a shred of truth, speck of evidence or possibility of success with their "plan".

It's "spend money" followed by "grab guns" without one single crime or death prevented!

Worse: It will actually CAUSE more crime, CAUSE more death! Nice, eh?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:29:12 PM
Because some men rape women, ALL men must obey draconian laws?

A background check is hardly "draconian." Making the purchase of guns more difficult doesn't infringe on anyone's rights, it just makes things more annoying. B-O-O-H-O-O. I follow the law when I drive a car, so why should I have to get a license? That just punishes me when I've done nothing wrong.

Because law enforcement will spend tons of time on paperwork of honest citizens, rather than chasing bad-guys?

And how is ensuring that only those allowed to have guns have them *not* chasing bad guys again?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:24:04 PM
@dang007: No, what I'm doing is refuting the argument people have made here that laws don't stop criminals.

@FoolsPrussia: Quite the opposite! You've proven that LAWFUL CITIZENS obey the law! Laws like, don't rape, don't murder, don't DUI...

Meanwhile, criminals, in cars, run red lights & stop signs. These signs do not PREVENT anything, they inform the public of road conditions! ie: it's safe (green) to enter this intersection now. It's about to change (amber) & etc.

Thanks for proving OUR side is right! I mean correct.

@tedgp: Laws are supposed to "make it harder"? So why isn't the speed limit 10 MPH on the highway? You know, to "make it harder for criminals to speed"? Think how many lives would be SAVED! (really, many lives would be, not kidding!)

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:15:18 PM
You are splitting hairs, but I do agree. Allow me to rephrase that.

"more than 900 Americans have been killed WITH guns."


@HolyGod it's STILL wrong: Gun Suicides aren't counted in that number.
However to count them as "gun deaths" would be like MADD counting ice-caused accidents as a "drunk driver death", for example.
It's a seperate thing altogether.

Meanwhile: 900 "gun deaths" eh?
How many were with ILLEGAL guns? By gangs? By criminals? A: Most of them.

In those "30 days" there were:
140 knife murders
34 blunt object murders
61 "bare hands" murders (feet, choking & etc)
6 arson murders

It's called REALITY! Banning certain "gun clips" will do nothing to improve it.

Spending billions on USELESS, COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE laws will actaully make it WORSE!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:10:16 PM
Let me guess these laws don't apply to law enforcement because they've never abused power.......

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:07:39 PM
Thank you, 5Cats

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:06:25 PM
Why is rape and murder illegal? I mean criminals do it anyway right? Right? RIGHT?

@HolyGod: So all men should be required to have a background check and a liscence before going on a date? Because some men rape women, ALL men must obey draconian laws?

Why exactly would universal background checks and anti-trafficking measures hurt law-abiding citizens?

@FoolsPrussia: Because it will cost a fortune, and taxpayers will be forced to pay for it?
Because law enforcement will spend tons of time on paperwork of honest citizens, rather than chasing bad-guys?
Because many will have their rights taken away due to errors, mistakes and other "beurocratic snafu"?
I got more, but those should do.

The Aurora shooter obtained his guns and ammo legally.

@HolyGod and he build bombs, which is ILLEGAL. What's your point?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:00:25 PM
<<900 people killed with guns in the month since Newton>>
It's called MATH Mr.Obama! MATH!
12,000 per year / 365 = 33 PER DAY!
30 days x 33 = 990
I'd say it was a pretty safe month actually!

FFS! THIS PASSES AS FACTS FOR THE LEFT?

More than TWICE that number have comitted SUICIDE!
Car accidents, heart attacks, cancer, ALL KILLED MORE.

Reducing "clip size" will solve... NOTHING.

Idiots...

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:58:26 AM
Nope it wont. But it will make it much harder and will allow law enforcement to do something should they see or even suspect someone has one.

By all indications, this is simply not true. I know - Europe in general has less homicides per capita than the US. However, this overly-simplistic analysis fails to consider demographics, socioeconomic factors, so on and so forth.

How then, should we look and see if gun laws are effective in reducing homicides and crime? We should look at countries that have enacted them and analyze their crime rate changes relative to other countries crime rate changes over time.

What do we find if we do this? Even strict gun laws, such as in Australia, do not have significant effects on crime rates or homicide rates. Look into it for other countries, as well as our own, and the same holds true.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 590 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:52:53 AM
>>>No, what I'm doing is refuting the argument people have made here that laws don't stop criminals.<<<

Well they don't and you didn't. Criminals by the definition, BREAK LAWS.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:52:35 AM
Pretty much what tedgp said.

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:51:12 AM
@tedgp- I agree completely.

I have no issues with making laws, I just want people to know that is isn't a magic fix to bad things happening.

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