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What's In President Obamas Gun Control Package?

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abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 7:27:36 AM
Well the world can thank the brits for carving up the middle east and Africa to propagate continuous war, using small pox to kill the native Americans and generally being sorry asses that stole all their gold that backs their currency.
So don't sit their in your welfare state and tell us how to run our country. You tried that once. We kicked you out.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 6:58:56 AM
Something. Is. Wrong. With. America.



You support a royal family and there's been an increasing amount of roits in N. Ireland but ya keep your head in the sand.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 6:22:15 AM
@abrxax

"We need to address the issues within our society that are causing these incidents."

Correct.

So how about we look at your people's tendency to turn to violence altogether too quickly?

Your home might get robbed? You think to get a gun...rather than invest in stronger locks, alarms, cameras and fight for a more effective police force.

Your government might get oppressive? You think to get a gun...rather than lobby and protest and educate to get better results at the ballot.

So it's unsurprising that when you have mentally ill and/or angry people...they get hold of a weapon and turn straight to violence.

Something. Is. Wrong. With. America.

And in my opinion, a part of it is how acceptable you all seem to think it is for violence and the tools of violence to be a readily-available and acceptable tool for dealing with normal life.

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 5:06:22 AM
Timothy McVeigh aka Oklahoma city bomber = killed 168 people and injured over 800 (There was daycare in the bottom floor the the building.)
Ted Kaczynski aka unabomber = killed 3 injured 23
Bruce Edwards Ivins, Anthrax mailer = killed 5 infected 17
Eric Robert Rudolph, Centennial Olympic Park bombing = killed 2 injured 111
Andrew Kehoe, Bath School disaster = killed 45 (38 students 7 adults)
Andrew Joseph Stack III, Austin IRS attack = killed 1 multiple injuries
Paul Kenneth Keller, arsonist = set 44 fires, killed 3 +$30million in property damages.
Julio González, set a night club on fire = killed 87

So. Taking away guns will do nothing except let the criminals run wild and do what ever they want, to who ever they want, whenever they want.
We need to address the issues within our society that are causing these incidents. Then and only then will we be able to solve the problem.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 12:18:22 AM
@VikingGuy

I respect your answers, all very reasonable.

Why were these people smashing into your place to do you harm and wreck your home? Was it just a random thing, or were they after you?

@MeGrendel

Regarding your cartoon, the people who have been committing these school shootings look more like the guy on the left than the guy on the right.

There is no "species" divide between citizen and criminal. Everyone is the first one right up until the first crime. Adam wasn't a criminal until that day.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 12:14:44 AM
@abrxax

"Musuko just mad...can't have guns in the UK."

Can't have, don't need, don't want.

When was the last time you got mad about not having something you can't have, don't need and don't want?

What I *am* mad about is the country that leads the world descending further into crazy and taking a lot of my friends with it.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 12:13:18 AM
@MeGrendel

"YOU can pretend it's 'unlikely', but I know exactly how many times my property has been robbed and how many times people have attempted to mug me."

I am 28, and I have never been mugged, and the only robbery I have been a victim of is when someone stole my motorcycle from my driveway whilst I was fast asleep.

So okay, perhaps you do need a gun if there's so much crime where you are...but that really is sad.

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Friday, January 18, 2013 12:09:02 AM
Musuko just mad...can't have guns in the UK. You have know idea how much fun you are missing out on. You should come over here and you and I will go shooting. I will teach you how to hunt. We will get the best bbq in the worst part of town and never have to worry about being mugged.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:09:10 PM
I've learned my state of Texas is rife with civil forfeiture abuses, which ironically in part means that property is safer in California. Why should we trust only the police with such firepower in such circumstances?

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:16:30 PM
@MeGrendel-

the cartoon is exactly what I've been trying to say! Thank you!

VikingGuy
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2416 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:54:37 PM
*had time to grab. if i had the time to go calmly unlock a safe to get the key for the other safe, take my .357 out of it's bag, grab the next key to go unlock the ammo safe and spend time loading the gun, then that would have been pretty stupid thieves or just a drunk neighbor who got the wrong door. the point still remains the police are not a magic spell.
the secondary point is the best defense is having a clue that these things CAN happen regardless what objects are legal or illegal and what words are on a paper somewhere. not senselessly writing down more laws or bans and allow fear or denial to cloud up your judgement of events or incidents.
eg: i got a noisy as hell burglar alarm that i tested out, lot of open doors a minute later and curious people wondering wtf. i also paid for a more sturdy lock. protesting ban all guns is like me blaming the crowbar and not the idiots who used it to break my door open.

VikingGuy
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2416 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:33:50 PM
@musuko
1: i am, i´ve taken part in protests against cuts, hiring private companies to replace proper police and so on, as well as signed petitions and taken part in votes on the matters. the government gives no drat however and makes decisions that are very disconnected from the wishes of the populace. the same as most EU governments.
2:i have my guns for sporting purposes primarily, and as i stated, they're locked in a cabinet separate from their ammunition as i´m someone who follows the laws and has common sense. my point was police response times in a first world nations capital city. let alone in distant areas in spread out countries like the united states.
3: i walked out of my bathroom after a shower to finish up and go about my day, and got the surprise of my lock being busted open. i keep my old survival knife from my former line of work as a security officer in africa on my desk as a memory, where my phone also is typically, so that's what i

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4637 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:35:43 PM


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25691 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 4:47:24 PM
then it must also make it easier for you to be a threat to yourself,

@Musuko42: I provide facts, you repeat opinion?
Facts > Opinions.

@Markust: It's part of a "weapon" and it's illegal. Others faced charges and went to court, but NOT Gregory! Liberals looking out for other liberals, that's a "two-tiered" legal system, NOT a good thing.
"One law for me, another law for you." is NOT in the US Constitution.

A gun is a gun! WHO CARES who designed it! It's not a fashion show, ffs!
If it's NOT multi-shot capable? It's NOT an "assault weapon" ok? AR-15 =/= M-16
Facts > Opinions

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4637 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:39:01 PM
Musuko42-"he likelihood of those things happening is very low"

Actualy, they are not low at all. Dividing murders into population does not give you an accurate possibility, it's not a random lottery (you suck at statistics, btw). It's also dependent on where you live, your age, your background, your race, what your doing at the time and you economic situation, among others.

YOU can pretend it's 'unlikely', but I know exactly how many times my property has been robbed and how many times people have attempted to mug me.

Musuko42-"take robbery off your list of reasons to own a lethal weapon"

Sorry, no. Some idiots tend to value their life less than other peoples belongings. That's their decision to make.

Burglers and violent criminals around here run a VERY HIGH chance of getting shot in the act. That's why, statistically, YOU are four times more likley to be a victim of violent crime that an average person in the US.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:29:35 PM
@MeGrendel

"Yes, because NObody ever gets assaulted, robbed, molested raped or threatened."

I didn't say that, and you know it. I said the likelihood of those things happening is very low (a 0.001015309% chance of being murdered per year in my country, for example). If you're so afraid of something that's so unlikely to happen to you, then you need some help undersanding probability, and I also have some lottery tickets to sell to you.

Incidentally, take robbery off your list of reasons to own a lethal weapon. Seriously. Using a lethal weapon to defend mere property is messed up.

@McGovern1981

"Not really I enjoy target shooting."

Nobody here is debating recreational gun use. The debate is about using them against other people.

You could still shoot your targets for sport and have restrictions that prevent you or others from shooting people.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4637 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:10:30 PM
Musuko42-"the extremely unlikely possibility of being under mortal threat"

Yes, because NObody ever gets assaulted, robbed, molested raped or threatened.

Are there unicorns in your world, too?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:58:55 PM
benefits*

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:58:07 PM
@Musuko42

Not really I enjoy target shooting. It's just another benafit. I don't live in fear of objects deemed what your people consider unsutible for the common man along with certain types of knifes LOL!

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:47:08 PM
@MeGrendel

"So, you're saying that there is absolutely no chance of your kids being involved in violence. (and thus, a fool)."

Well, seeing as I'm gay, I'd say that yes, there is absolutely no chance of my kids being involved in violence. :P

@McGovern1981

"Following your logic you should live in a bubble for "saftey." Everything around you is a threat to your life so eat everything with your hands and round off all sharp corners. The rest of us will choose to live an actual life."

You're the one wanting a lethal weapon to defend yourself against the extremely unlikely possibility of being under mortal threat from another person. Who should be asking for that bubble? You sound like the one living in fear, not me.

*I* am the one badass enough not to be afraid to go unarmed. *You* are the one so afraid of his fellow man that you feel you need to arm yourself.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4637 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:46:48 PM
markust123-"Call it a semi-automatic but that is automatic to me."

Then obviously you do not know the difference. Why are we not surprised.

markust123-"It shoots as fast as you can pull the trigger."

Which IS, of course, the DEFINITION of a 'semi-auto'.

markust123-"How you didn't get called out for calling a magazine a weapon"

The same way YOU call a 'semi-auto' an 'auto': ignorance.

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:44:16 PM
Well apparently I'm wrong and misinformed.

I guess I'll sleep better tonight knowing there is no longer a threat to be shot in schools, theaters, malls or anywhere else by wackjobs.

Thank you!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:30:16 PM
At least at the minimum what is wrong with limiting the magazines to 10 cartridges?


Cause criminals don't always work in small groups.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:26:29 PM
@Musuko42

Following your logic you should live in a bubble for "saftey." Everything around you is a threat to your life so eat everything with your hands and round off all sharp corners. The rest of us will choose to live an actual life.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:25:39 PM
@5Cats, "Like David Gregory for example: who waved an ILLEGAL weapon (a 30-round magazine) in Washington DC but was NOT prosecuted."

How you didn't get called out for calling a magazine a weapon I will never know. I guess it is selective correctivness. I got sh*t for calling a cartridge a bullet.

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