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Piers Morgan's Statistics Get Reality Checked

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QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:04:56 PM
Thank you SirSparticus, much appreciated!

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:04:43 PM
@McGovern:

Again, the problem with Mexico is that it's very easy for the cartels to get their guns from U.S. bordering states, like Texas. In fact, the government of Mexico has pleaded with our congress to do something about this.

SirSparticus
Male, 18-29, Europe
 45 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:03:25 PM
QueenZira Can't say I have ever heard the word Dappy though though I have heard dapper which is just another way of saying cool e.g. 'Oh that new car by XYZ is dapper.' So dappy may be a variation on that, don't quote me on that though.

No standard police officers or bobbies(yes I still call them that sometimes and so do people I know)/traffic officers that patrol the streets/roads/motorways etc. do not carry any sort of firearms at all only pepper spray to my knowledge, however we do have armed police who are used as response to a crime were a dangerous weapon is being used.

That's what I know for certain hope it helps.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:02:13 PM
"No right is absolute. Reasonable restrictions on guns are perfectly Constitutional."

We already have 20,000 some laws (restrictions) on guns, including the prevention of citizens from owning military weapons. None of those laws will prevent a law breaker from breaking the law. Every time a new law is introduced it limits (restricts) the freedom of law abiding citizens. And yes they are taking aim at the 2nd Amendment.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:57:09 PM
Peabody, I was replying to Mcgovern, do not pass go do not collect 200$, close but no cigar there bucko.

And Crakr, executive action on guns? You mean just like Reagan back in the day? You can drop your little impeachment toy now, becuase that's all that is, a toy.

IRockYeah
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2460 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:55:39 PM
Please don't deport him. We don't want him back in th UK. We've had enough of the smarmy, smug, condescending greaseball. The dirty, low-life, scum sucking, filthy, phone hacking ba*tard should stay as far away from us as possible. Pretty please.

Feel free to shoot him though :)

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:53:59 PM
@MrPeabody: I think your definition of "easy" is incorrect. Solving hunger would require constant infusions of billions of dollars. It's not as if you can just give food to people. The socioeconomic, family and individual requirements are intractable. If it were so "easy" it would have been thought of already.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:53:31 PM
QueenZira, the title of this page is "Piers Morgan's Statistics Get Reality Checked", so the OP is about Piers Morgan's facts, not "Mexico's government is too undermined by internal forces that it finds it rather difficult to uniformly enforce it's laws", so please don't mention changing the discussion.


QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:52:10 PM
Red Herring a discussion because you don't like where it's going is a sure sign of losing the argument. Other problems may be dire and in need of solutions, but that's not the issue at hand.

Furthermore where did anyone say they wanted "law abiding citizens to give up their rights and freedoms"? There's a SCOTUS opinion out there written by none other than Justice Scalia on the second amendment (I'm quoting *him* now? Now you know Hell must've just froze over.) where he says, "No right is absolute. Reasonable restrictions on guns are perfectly Constitutional."

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16693 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:48:36 PM
QueenZira: If those proposed laws are so popular, then why has NRA membership spiked, adding over 250,000 members in one month. And why has January, this month, set the all-time record for gun sales in the United States?

Popular or not, the 2nd Amendment shall not be usurped. If Obama exacts these 19 'executive orders', then he should be impeached. A little, hysteria driven, safety promise is not worth loosing our essential freedoms.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:46:57 PM
And if the argument is because removing guns save lives, especially those of children, then there are bigger fish to fry (pun intended).

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:46:05 PM
@QueenZira

Ooooh a shiny bar graph!! Do you know how easy sats are to skew? Pew reasearch center well that's certainly Pew. Tell me what demographic they asked these question to?


Diarrhea is the number one killer of children in the world. WE NEED MORE BOWEL CONTROL!!


MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:45:14 PM
Mrpeabody, why should anyone have to argue a Red Herring in the middle of another completely different discussion?


It is no more a Red Herring than arguing that law abiding citizens should give up their rights and freedoms because of the actions of individuals that break the law.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:35:31 PM
Mrpeabody, why should anyone have to argue a Red Herring in the middle of another completely different discussion?

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:30:29 PM
I wonder why guns are such an emergency when 18,000 children die every day of hunger.
(Yes, it's from 2007, but nothing significant has changed in these figures)

Why isn't this the headline of every news story, everyday? Hunger is much easier to solve than gun violence, yet no one seems to care that tens of thousands of children suffer and die because of it EVERY DAY. It's a little hypocritical isn't it? Especially those of you who are not Americans who want to point out that 11,000 people died from gun violence in one year. Please argue why gun control is more important than this.

(And no you cannot argue that gun violence is senseless death that is preventable. Suffering and death from hunger has that beat ten times over.)

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:27:18 PM
While I'm at it, can any of our UK readership help me out with a few things here? Firstly, what is a "Dappy"? Do your cops really not carry at all? (I've heard different things from different people). And do you still call them "Bobbies"? I'm genuinely interested/curious about the above, can someone take pity on this little lost Yank?

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:21:38 PM
V Did you ever consider that Mexico's government is too undermined by internal forces that it finds it rather difficult to uniformly enforce it's laws?

And what Americans think about gun policy on the whole:


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:03:49 PM
@FoolsPrussia

If you'd look at Mexico you'd see laws won't change anything. It was even said here the UK's laws had no impact whatsoever.

klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 647 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:53:49 AM
I don't think that you can reasonably compare crime in the US to Jamaica. If you do, then you have to look at the countries that have a lower crime rate as well, like Afghanistan and Palestine.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:42:07 AM
This whole argument seems rather silly. Different countries have different ways of defining violent crime. Different countries also have different crime problems. In the U.S., gun crime and gun deaths are clearly a problem when compared with other stable countries. So the responsibility of the lawmakers should be to take appropriate action to reduce the problem. That's all the gun control debate is about. It's not about banning guns, because that's not going to happen here.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:36:58 AM
Fact-check FAIL.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:29:17 AM
FFS this has been circulating around the web and it's the same tired nonsense. "Violent crime" isn't a standard definition.

spoonbender
Male, 30-39, Europe
 4 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:25:06 AM
go to 2.00 and listen to this guy state very clearly that in a country that bans guns there is obviously lower gun crime... For the slow, this is the whole point of banning guns. It lowers gun crime in every country that does it!!!

Australia banned guns and saw a decrease in crimes related to guns without an increase in non-gun related crimes...

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33883 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:17:24 AM


thenedman,
"For the last time ... "

Thank Gawd! Now we don't have to listen to that anymore.
Why are the Brits so violent? It's Irish, that's why!
Nothin' but mischief in them people!
At least, that's what me granny taught me.

thenedman
Male, 18-29, Europe
 231 Posts
Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:15:37 AM
@madduck my dad used to be a rifle shooter for his city and he was telling me about how tight it used to be even back in the late 60s. His mate once got done in for having his one shot rifle, in his car boot, in its locked box with no ammo while he was having a drink in the pub.

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