 thatjimguy
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 416 Posts
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Saturday, January 19, 2013 9:08:24 PM
they start comparing the us to the world
they end with comparing the UK to only the EU, which is much smaller. Being 4th in the EU is much different than 4th in the world.
Just lost credibility. |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8710 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:12:52 PM
But I think it is safe to say we ALL agree Piers Morgan is a twat.
madduck, that was an insult to twats. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16885 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:20:18 PM
@Palfas: Obama's Orders are out: no eating of words by me!
Most are "window dressing" designed to LOOK useful but in fact? Do nothing.
Some few make sense, it's true.
Others are "time bombs" they look simple enough NOW, but have the potential for vast mis-use and removal of freedoms.
Oh, but the US Gov't would NEVER do that ('Japanese' Internment Camps) right?
(Japanese is in " because they were, in fact, full US Citizens, some 2nd or 3rd generation!) |
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 Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
480 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:55:49 PM
@dang007 you are putting up numbers for different things, what's the point? Having somebody actually go through the data and provide something that is the same would be very interesting - I have no idea where it would come out but putting up data that is for different things achieves nothing but confusion. |
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 dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
488 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:19:24 AM
@Holy God: Think thou do protest to much.
2009 (only year I could find data for in the 10 min. I looked.)
US violent crime (includes murder, Forcable rape, robbery, and Aggrevated assult.)
429.4 per 100,000
UK (Data below, I tried to find the def of Violence against person but assuming it DOES include the offences listed here the rate subtracting out what is NOT included in the US is
~800/100,000.
Still not sure the UK is better.
In England and Wales, there were 880,000 "Violence against the person" crimes in 2008–9, equivalent to 16 per thousand people. There were about 50,000 sexual offences during the same period, just under 1 per thousand. Other areas of crime included robbery (80,000; equivalent to around 1.5 crimes/per thousand), burglary (285,000; 5 per thousand) and vehicle theft (150,000; 3 per thousand).[8] |
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 madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2820 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:59:19 AM
But I think it is safe to say we ALL agree Piers Morgan is a twat. Result... |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:40:12 AM
Holy f.ucking s.hit. Why on earth do we have to have the same debate.
OF COURSE Britain has a higher violent crime rate. For f.uck sake. Brittan calls indecent exposure a violent crime.
In the USA the FBI calls a violent crime: murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.
Britain adds burglary, domestic violence and ALL sexual offenses.
Compare apples to apples and it isn't even close.
Let's have an intelligent debate. Stop being f.ucking retarded. |
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 Palfas
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
410 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:52:28 AM
@5cats "Until Obama "drops a bomb" tomorrow it's kinda pointless to have a sane & rational discussion. He's going to go "full retard" and the USA will suffer for it.
But y'all voted for him!"
Sane and rational is the last thing I would call this thread.
Are you going to eat your words or move the goal posts when Obama proposes sensible legislation instead of going "full retard" |
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 Keegan31
Male, 18-29, Western US
219 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:32:28 AM
While I agree the stats Morgan presents are misleading (of course there are fewer GUN murders in a country with fewer GUNS, that doesn't mean there are fewer murders), the problem I have with this response is that they cite equally misleading stats. In the UK if I shout a slur at you or spit on you, that is reported as a violent crime. This is not the case in the U.S. so comparing those stats is wholly unfair and misleading. Why does no one seem interested in reporting the overall murder rate of both countries? I mean that stat (which would have to be the most fair) must favor one side of the argument or the other, why is no one siting that? |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25554 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:27:30 AM
4 out of 5 cats prefer Fox News. |
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madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2820 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:27:15 AM
5Cats- I think the weasel in in the US at present. Hope so.... mind you... we could just shove him off a high bridge in heavy shoes. Lobbs make good stout ones. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16885 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:03:55 AM
Stats can be manipulated to support any argument. In fact in a recent study 72% of all stats were found to be false.
@kcpd2050: I completely DIS-agree! Don't you know that 28% of all stats are absolutely true?
(hint: 72 + 28 = 100% I am making a funny here)
@madduck: We'd need a hitman who uses a knife, or poison...  |
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madduck
Female, 40-49, Europe
2820 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:57:37 AM
If we all chuck in a quid or so I expect we could raise enough for a hitman.... just a suggestion. |
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 Vimto
Male, 40-49, Europe
1988 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:42:08 AM
"I've never understood why Piers is on CNN and not FOX."
I've never understood why Piers is on. |
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mikesex
Male, 60-69, Europe
29 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:40:51 AM
Murder rates per 100,000
USA 5
UK 1.2 |
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Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
480 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:53:07 AM
@kittilia, not generalising at all are you? |
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OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8710 Posts
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Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:02:25 AM
Anyone who needed FBI stats to prove Piers is a lying douchebag is a fapping f***tard. |
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 slut_etta
Female, 50-59, Southern US
2130 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:24:36 PM
lying douchebag? what a surprise. |
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 kcpd2050
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
325 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:05:20 PM
Stats can be manipulated to support any argument. In fact in a recent study 72% of all stats were found to be false. |
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 kittilia
Female, 13-17, Western US
502 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:52:31 PM
reality check: british people are cruel souls. |
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 emmettyville
Female, 30-39, Australia
2710 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:22:53 PM
suck on that peirs, you douche. |
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Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
480 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:53:55 PM
@queenzira, we have ARV units (armed response vehicles) that are on standby with highly trained firearms officers, normal units hold back if guns are sighted or suspected (given how rare this is then it is not as odd as it might sound in the US), many officers have pepper spray and increasingly tasers, batons are standard. The lack of guns makes this all seem perfectly normal but I think that is more about a long standing attitude combined with legislation.
As to a dappy - look up N-Dubz, I will make no comment about rap from the US causing increasing gun crime over here but it has been suggested by many. |
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cman7721
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
580 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:15:06 PM
Jeremy Clarkson should punch him in the face again. |
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 Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
1514 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:51:51 PM
Who are these idiots? |
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 MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1436 Posts
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:35:57 PM
Then we shall find this beholder, take its eyes and lock them away where they'll be safe!
Sorry, we got one for unreasonable search and seizure too. |
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