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A Horrifying Thing Happened In Ohio

Hits: 15137 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: CaptKangaroo
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5694 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 7:08:40 AM
You're a fascinating individual. You're amazed no one said anything. You're not shocked...you're just amazed--you're amazed that no one said anything, but not that no one did nothing. I think saying means nothing. I can say I am rapist, but until I actually rape what am I? Nothing.

Amazed by words yet again I suppose. Since you seem to be an expert I'll just have to rely on you to tell me which situations I should be amazed at and which ones escalate to the point of being "shocked" as if that platitude is somehow more meaningful than the word I used. Saying, in this context, IS doing. If all you are going to do is take every sentence I write as literally as possible then you're missing the point.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 7:01:34 AM
"All young men should have put her on a bed, under a blanket, in recovery and kept and eye on her..... automatically."

That should be a man's natural reaction. To protect someone. Not to allow them to be used/hurt. Doesn't any one of them have a sister...a mother...a niece? Doesn't any one of those boys care about women at all?

No.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:58:15 AM
"However I'd also like to point out something that no one here has mentioned, and that's that none of the bystanders said anything. THAT'S one of the most appalling things in this, imo."

You're a fascinating individual. You're amazed no one said anything. You're not shocked...you're just amazed--you're amazed that no one said anything, but not that no one did nothing. I think saying means nothing. I can say I am rapist, but until I actually rape what am I? Nothing.

Who cares about what they said or didn't say. No one did anything. I could have been screaming "I AM GONNA SO RAPE THIS GIRL'S PUSSY!" As I was bludgeoning them all to death. Words are meaningless. Watch their actions.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:55:33 AM
cont. the high score.

But honestly I don't think we can have a meaningful discussion because you "know how the world is" and contrary points of view are "ignorant". Good luck with that. It will get you where YOU need to be--but for the rest of us we need another plan than what you offer. Which is warn your daughter, and when she gets raped by her 'date' and not that man in the alley she can feel really stupid because you didn't warn her about that.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:50:13 AM
"And every single one of them is theoretical with no basis in reality. "

Theories are actually the highest level of knowledge that we have ever attained. If they are theoretical then that would be good--they are just hypothetical which is a good GUESS as to how they could work. We have no theories on how politics and the human mind works--yet.

"Do you ENJOY demonstrating your ignorance? (no, wait, that one passed 'ignorance' straight to 'stuck on stupid'.)"

Here's a good example:

My boss was white. Anglosaxon. Irish. Loved beer. Did floors. His hands were calloused like his personality. He told me once that he doesn't feel bad that black people were enslaved because 'all people' have been enslaved. That's the same kind of attitude that gets you there in the first place. But he's a great example of 'impossible to demean'. Being white is a badge of honor like being a psychopath is a badge of honor to criminals. It's like you have th

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:47:18 AM
"What gave you the idea that I sit on my hands? I'm sure YOUR idea of 'helping' is posting a pink ribbon on your Facebook page in hopes that you'll get a thousand 'Likes' so you can 'feel' you have done something.

How many playgrounds have you built? How many wheelchair ramps? How many houses have you helped rebuild after a natural disaster? How many school choirs have you built props and equipment for? How many handicapped children have you made smile? How many repairs have you made on an elderly's home?

You want to compare records? I've done the above in spades. "

I've done work at the special olympics. I've raised money for schools. Read to children...built multiple gyms for kids all over NY. This isn't a pissing contest, and I'm half your age. Just shut up. You're clearly an ignorant old man who thinks he's lived at all. You've seen and done nothing beside rot away behind screens apparently.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:45:50 AM
"Neither is murder, robbery, battery, car theft, speeding and the in-field fly rule. What's your point?

Just because something is unnecessary, or cruel, or inhumane, does not mean that it will not happen."

Your same argument applies to an altered reality where these things can never happen. It's possible to make these things stop happening by not having cars, or not having planes, etc. But that's not practical--I am asking what is the practical solution?

Well...we could just take humans out of the equation for driving--what if cars worked like bus routes and would drive themselves to your destination? Google is already working on that--that ends all the ridiculous accidents and traffic congestion in one shot.

See...there are solutions! Too bad you can't imagine any of them, which is a consequence of old.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:42:52 AM
"Men walk home hammered every night and don't get raped."

And men who are hammered are subject to just as many dangers as women who are hammered. If you get hammered, you're an idiot."

How many men get raped walking home versus women? If you can find that figure to be equal than I'd argue you're right. Until that point...keep demonstrating YOUR ignorance.

"Ah, the Race Card. You lose."

Pointing out a clear fact is not the racecard. Jews are more often doctors/lawyers than other races. Native Americans go to war more than any race in this Nation. African Americans are arrested at a rate higher than any minority. Latinos in America are often of illegal origin. Etc.

These are not racecards--these are facts. It's important to separate the two and stop doing your 5 year old...handwave...again.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:40:26 AM
"Continue to demonstrate your ignorance. You don't 'deserve' anything. 'Mutual compassion' is not something every individual wants. All of your Kumbaya thinking will not change that. "

Enough handwave. And stop using the word ignorance like you really know when it's applicable. I am clearly the antithesis of an ignoramus and you keep espousing your brand of apathy like it's meaningful.

If the individuals don't want people to care about them, and to care about others, then why do we want them in our society? They clearly just want to harm others. Unless they merely want to be left alone--which is fine. But people who merely want to be left alone so they can plot murders/bank robberies...etc...they need to go.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4381 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:39:37 AM
SPrinkZ-"White males are impervious to being demeaned."

Do you ENJOY demonstrating your ignorance? (no, wait, that one passed 'ignorance' straight to 'stuck on stupid'.)

SPrinkZ-"There are systems that would lead to a nearly perfect society."

And every single one of them is theoretical with no basis in reality.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:31:10 AM
"Hey, I strive for that every day. I try to make the world better any way I can.

I'm just not under the delusion that utopia is attainable. Because no matter how much I would want it, there are many others who think differently. That think what's yours should be theirs, and that women are objects and laws are to be ignored."

Utopia isn't a conceivable thing because it's an abstract concept to begin with. There are systems that would lead to a nearly perfect society. It probably would include not letting extremely dangerous individuals reproduce. I think that nature has a lot to do with a lot of our problems. Nurture can mold wet clay, but has a hard time working with different materials. Some brains are just not setup to be rewarded in the conventional ways we think they ought to be. That is where almost all of the problems come from. Some people really like to hurt others. It gives them the same satisfaction as you get eating ice cream, or playing ball with

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:27:27 AM
"The term 'demeans' is so much bull. EVERYONE gets demeaned at some time.

People are not nice. Someone's always going to insult you. Someone's always going to demean you. Someone's going to get in your face and say 'You're F*@ked'.

You deal with it."

This is the 'hand waive' I keep talking about. No, not everyone gets demeaned. White males are impervious to being demeaned. And in her context it means to devalue something. Women do not like being referred to as objects since women don't even THINK in that frame of reference usually. Men often think of things in terms of parts/functions. Women have a different brain, and demand a different type of language to appropriate their own meaning to themselves. They merely want to be participants in our culture rather than servants/slaves/sexual objects/etc. They want the total freedom that men often enjoy.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:22:44 AM
cont. of the way we set things up.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:19:14 AM
"As for your last comment... I do know who did it. Does she want me to do anything violent to them like your suggestion of killing them? Do you no think she's experienced at least one too many violent guys in her life already without me going acting that way too? You seem to think you know a lot about this, you demonstrate nothing of the sort."

What do you suggest? If he invades your life over and over again, and keeps stalking you. Do you really think someone highly determined to screw your life up is going to really be stopped by cops? These kind of deviants don't belong in the outside world at all. Rehabilitation is supposed to be the point of jail/prison. It's not just a place to hold you until you can go back to the same old crap. You're supposed to learn something, but we create a criminal culture as well. There is a reason why people who go to prison keep going back. It eventually becomes all they know or respect. That's sick. But a consequence of the way we s

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5694 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:15:46 AM
I'd have to agree with @MeGrendel on this one. However I'd also like to point out something that no one here has mentioned, and that's that none of the bystanders said anything. THAT'S one of the most appalling things in this, imo. But there's nothing wrong with being realistic and saying that these dangers exist, and if you want to avoid them you have to take the proper precautions. Now iirc, this girl is from a different town, and after getting pass-out drunk at one party, they dragged her to two more, and did things like pee on her then post it on twitter. It's not easy to get teenagers to be responsible, but I'm still amazed that no one at any of these parties stood up for this girl.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4381 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 6:07:22 AM
SPrinkZ-"You're just an old fart."

Said the young, ignorant fool.

SPrinkZ-"rather than sitting on our hands."

What gave you the idea that I sit on my hands? I'm sure YOUR idea of 'helping' is posting a pink ribbon on your Facebook page in hopes that you'll get a thousand 'Likes' so you can 'feel' you have done something.

How many playgrounds have you built? How many wheelchair ramps? How many houses have you helped rebuild after a natural disaster? How many school choirs have you built props and equipment for? How many handicapped children have you made smile? How many repairs have you made on an elderly's home?

You want to compare records? I've done the above in spades.

SPrinkZ-"I can almost always see them from a mile away."

Yeah, you look at their picture in the paper after the fact and say 'I KNEW he was a rapist.'.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4381 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 5:57:29 AM
SPrinkZ-"Men walk home hammered every night and don't get raped."

And men who are hammered are subject to just as many dangers as women who are hammered. If you get hammered, you're an idiot.

SPrinkZ-"It seems like white men have so many privleges"

Ah, the Race Card. You lose.

SPrinkZ-"We need to get to the root cause of it."

Root cause: Many people in this world are asswipes. There are cruel people out there. Not to prepare your children for that because YOU don't 'feel' it should be so is negligent.

SPrinkZ-"Rape is not necessary for this world."

Neither is murder, robbery, battery, car theft, speeding and the in-field fly rule. What's your point?

Just because something is unnecessary, or cruel, or inhumane, does not mean that it will not happen.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4381 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 5:53:37 AM
SPrinkZ-"What is the point of being here if we are not striving toward a society that can leave its doors open, and children can play with one another without prejudice or fear?"

Hey, I strive for that every day. I try to make the world better any way I can.

I'm just not under the delusion that utopia is attainable. Because no matter how much I would want it, there are many others who think differently. That think what's yours should be theirs, and that women are objects and laws are to be ignored.

SPrinkZ-"We never deserved a place on this earth if we cannot assure our mutual compassion."

Continue to demonstrate your ignorance. You don't 'deserve' anything. 'Mutual compassion' is not something every individual wants. All of your Kumbaya thinking will not change that.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4381 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 5:47:55 AM
madduck-"calling a woman a pretty little thing demeans her, calling gay men fairies demeans them"

The term 'demeans' is so much bull. EVERYONE gets demeaned at some time.

People are not nice. Someone's always going to insult you. Someone's always going to demean you. Someone's going to get in your face and say 'You're F*@ked'.

You deal with it.

SPrinkZ-"You keep swinging around the word ignorant like it means anything."

I've only swung it at you, and it does mean something: that you know absolutely NO facts about which you speak (that is, after all, the definition of ignorant). All you have is your 'feelings' of how it 'should' be.

SPrinkZ-"your fantasy views that people are magic"

At what point did I ever state such rubbish?

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2570 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 5:10:55 AM
"No offense, but she's letting an imaginary figure control her habits of moving around in the world now because ONE DAY. A PARTICULAR INCIDENT lead her to believe that from now on she has to 'protect' herself. But that just makes her look/feel stupid.

If you knew who ruined her heart like that, what would you do? Just tell her to keep making sure she can get a ride home, and always needs a body-guard?? Seriously? Why not kill the bastards who do this in the first place.

So you know more about this than her? ah... ok.


As for your last comment... I do know who did it. Does she want me to do anything violent to them like your suggestion of killing them? Do you no think she's experienced at least one too many violent guys in her life already without me going acting that way too? You seem to think you know a lot about this, you demonstrate nothing of the sort

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5430 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 5:02:04 AM
Thank you- I am pleased someone sees what I am aiming at. It is all too easy to fail to see how our culture and our language enables certain things to continue- even when we dislike them. Obviously most men are decent human beings, but everybody needs to be aware. Just as by tolerating homophobic or racist language in others permits them to feel comfortable with unacceptable attitudes.... Remember- most rapes are committed by someone a woman ( or man) felt comfortable with- a co-worker, a family member, a date. That is when the idea that 'she did something' REALLY comes into play. Just like this poor girl- she got drunk ( inexperienced and too young to know her limits) so she is somehow culpable. All young men should have put her on a bed, under a blanket, in recovery and kept and eye on her..... automatically.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 4:19:04 AM
Honestly--these one-liners and quips I get out of men just reveal they'd walk past a rape too. If you can solve everything with a sentence, or handwaive if with a sentence I should say, then what is stopping you from being complacent with rape in the first place?

People need to be f*cking mad. People need to be outraged sometimes. If we just keep acting like society is going to clean things up, or that we can really PREVENT these things by AVOIDING certain areas then you're ignorant. Not me.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 3:45:43 AM
My main issue is this: we have a problem in the world and we just don't even TRY to fix it. It's just our complacency to it that is the problem. If we were more vigilant about things we'd probably solve a lot of problems. Most rapists are VERY obvious--trust me. I can almost always see them from a mile away. They disrespect girls....talk about them like they are 'chicks' 'babes' whatever. Just nothing about their language indicates a humanness to women. In fact, I've had men flat out declare we're the better sex and deserve to do whatever we want with women. I've had men tell me that to my FACE with some clever prying and goading. Men can be revealed to be poo in an instant if you just act like you'd drat a girl up too.

Try it. You'll be surprised.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 3:38:38 AM
Grendel

You're just an old fart. I'm glad you'll be dead long before I am so maybe someone with half a brain can do something about this world rather than sitting on our hands. Not too long ago women who were raped had to bear the children of that rape. Men vehemently fight against a woman's right to conceive a child on her own terms because men want to rape women whenever they please, and sire children with whomever they please. It's a very simple reproductive strategy that bleeds into our politics and our daily lives. Believing otherwise is rather stupid, because the implicit language states it--you can say God wanted this baby, or Shiskanu, or Thor, or whoever--but it's really a man's wanton urges that lead him there, and it's really his penis that made that situation happen.

If you weren't so damn old, and so grossly uneducated maybe you'd find that relevant.

SPrinkZ
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2244 Posts
Monday, January 14, 2013 3:34:28 AM
Black Panters/KKK are highly volatile, and violent philosophies. They have no purpose in our society since we don't permit individuals to go on a racial cleansings (anymore). Given that we don't do that anymore they are a relic of our past. We still have deeply sexist people in America today that still view women as objects. Those ideas need to die as much as those people.

Stop drawing analogies that literally make no sense. Your analogy really sounds like this:

A woman standing in the middle of a group of class 3 sex offenders should be okay. Like, seriously? The problem is this: Why do these ideologies and beliefs even exist in the first place? You're basically asking for a piranha to not eat meat. These people really do not see women as people--at all. If they did, they would not hurt them. It's very hard/impossible to hurt others if you have empathy.

I think our main problem is a lack of empathy today. It's something that has to be learned.

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