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 papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 221 Posts
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Monday, January 14, 2013 8:30:15 AM
I believe in God because I believe there is no down side to not believing in God. Hey, it works for me. And no, I cannot prove there is a God. But I will say that the only reason I know that a line is crooked is because I know what a straight line is. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Monday, January 14, 2013 5:45:28 AM
@Cajun247
Wouldn't that also be considered a selective sample. I'm quite familier with many places where that would get that couple stoned to death. There are far more Muslium counties with Sharia laws than without. |
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 Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
480 Posts
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Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:19:02 PM
@BlankTom, atheist is not a faith, it only really exists while people believe in god. Religion and faith can continue without atheists though. |
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 CodeJockey
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
2429 Posts
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Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:44:07 AM
"Advocates slavery? You mean that section that says you should work off your debts, and after seven years, regardless of remaining debt you are free to go. Make it sound as terrible as you want, but that is truth of it."
You never actually read your f***ing bible straight through. If you had, you'd know: Leviticus 25:44
King James 2000 Bible
Both your male and female slaves, whom you shall have, shall be of the nations that are round about you; of them shall you buy male and female slaves.
King James Bible, Cambridge Ed.
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
GOD'S WORD Translation
You may have male and female slaves, but buy them from the nations around you. |
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 BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
6533 Posts
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Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:06:35 AM
@LordJim, i don't understand why atheists continue to use god and religion to define themselves. |
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TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
1189 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:12:59 PM
i doubt that caller was a real christian, in fact it's more likely that they were an atheist looking to make a scene at the expense of real christians. Wouldn't surprise me. |
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 EgalM
Male, 18-29, Canada
1667 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:56:56 AM
Advocates slavery? You mean that section that says you should work off your debts, and after seven years, regardless of remaining debt you are free to go. Make it sound as terrible as you want, but that is truth of it. |
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 lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
127 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:16:54 AM
@markust123
"I really was just curious why Atheists are so sure there is not a god"
For the exact reason christians are so sure there IS a God. That's what they believe. Very simple. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2422 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:00:56 AM
Probaably not helping but;
Gnostic theist = believes god exists and it is possible to know this for certain.
Agnostic theist = believes god exists but that it is not possible to know this for certain.
Agnostic atheist = does not believe that god exists but accepts that it is not possible to be sure.
Gnostic atheist = does not believe god exists and that it is possible to be certain.
The last position is logically untennable and no significant atheist I have ever heard of holds it. Even Dawkins considers the existence of god to be merely extremely unlikely.
Specific religious claims, however, can be tested and disproved or logically refuted. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2422 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 5:59:35 AM
markust,
If you have met atheists who claim to be certain there is no god then they are doing it wrong. Check theDawkins scale. Dawkins puts himself at 6.9. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2422 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 5:53:25 AM
Probaably not helping but;
Gnostic theist = believes god exists and it is possible to know this for certain.
Agnostic theist = believes god exists but that it is not possible to know this for certain.
Agnostic atheist = does not believe that god exists but accepts that it is not possible to be sure.
Gnostic atheist = does not believe god exists and that it is possible to be certain.
The last position is logically untennable and no significant atheist I have ever heard of holds it. Even Dawkins considers the existence of god to be merely extremely unlikely.
Specific religious claims, however, can be tested and disproved or logically refuted. |
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baradhili
Male, 40-49, Australia
121 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 5:11:39 AM
atheism is a belief as well... especially in the "born-again" atheism |
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 Ripper398
Male, 18-29, Western US
1314 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:03:56 AM
@Markust123: how dare you question an athiest and why haven't you read those books yet? But seriously... how dare you ask questions. Now, let thom get back to interrogating the Christians with their questions, mkay. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:08:35 AM
Being agnostic is a wishy washy stance but I don't always believe or disbelieve in god. I really was just curious why Atheists are so sure there is not a god. I get using the errors in the bible to show that god does not exist but that doesn't help me because I don't believe in organized religion. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 11:17:48 PM
[quote">Ya jeez at least in Islam you marry the child before raping them....[/quote">
Seriously, McGovern that is a selective sample.
Turkish LGBT website |
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lt633c
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
127 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 10:13:04 PM
I feel the existence of God is not provable... it is based on faith and personal beliefs....It is however tiring to have believers berate non-believers with remarks about the only way to be a decent, loving, productive member of society is to follow Jesus, that they won't get in to heaven if they don't, or present themselves as they are somehow superior because of what they believe to be true, yet can't be proven. |
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 ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2184 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 8:52:10 PM
0:51
DROP THE dratING MIC!!! BRUSH YOUR SHOULDERS OFF LIKE A dratING BOSSS!!!!1 |
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 carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
4070 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 5:03:36 PM
I wish God-believers would stop trying to "prove" the existence of God and realize that what they depend on is not evidence, not proof, not logic, but faith, and faith alone. You believe for one reason: you like the idea of a big sky daddy watching you from above. If you didn't, the idea of a god would fall apart like a stack of bowling balls. So stop demanding proof God doesn't exist and parroting the standard flawed arguments we've all heard before. You have faith despite commons sense, not because of it. |
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 Crabes
Male, 30-39, Canada
933 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 4:01:48 PM
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 Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
422 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 3:43:49 PM
"What is this proof that that is no god?"
the proof is that in the bible god supposedly did a lot of things in our world, like creating the world 6000 years ago, creating humans and animals, a world wide flood or the slaughter of every firstborn in egypt, that would have left evidence behind. Now we know that those things never happened, so if the interactions god supposedly had with our world are false then why would you believe there's a god in the first place?
no one can disprove that a god does not exist, but there's plenty of evidence that the god from the bible does not. |
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Richstickman
Male, 18-29, Europe
4 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 3:41:26 PM
@markust
kinda the stock answer but..
atheism/theism and agnostic/gnostic are replys to 2 different questions. atheism/ theism is the BELIEF that there is /is not a god whereas, gnosicism/agnosicism is the CERTAINTY that there is / is not a god/s you can have an agnostic athiest, which is a person that does not beleve there is a god but is open to change there mind if good enough evidence is provided.. what constitutes good evedence is where the argument begins!! |
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Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
156 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 3:24:58 PM
sigh..
your god sais, thats not allouwed.
thanks counter  |
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Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
156 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 3:24:26 PM
i think that the prove of a god or not is individual and wether it can or cn not be proven, disproven or made ridiculous in any way form or shape is.. well, redundant as it is something that an individual should aply to his or her life.
As soon as one person tries to prove something for another person, you go from belief to sience.. i dont belief in any god, but i dont feel i have the right to say anyone is wrong for believing in a god. Who am i to deny them the happiness they can find in that.
At the same time, no one has the right to tell me i am wrong for not believing. Hell, even in teh bible it is stated that this is the choice of the individual. So if your god exists, he told me i can deny him. Now, i dont think any god exist, but if your god exists and he sais it is wrong for me to disbelieve in him, he did open the door for disbelieving, who are you to contradict your god? punishing me for not believing in your god is placing you on his seat ,your god sais thats no |
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 artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
139 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 3:11:18 PM
Also, contrary to what a few others have said, it actually *is* entirely possible to prove a negative. For example, if someone asserts that there's something in a box, you can open the box to see if anything's there. If it's empty you've just proved a negative.
However, this depends on having some idea of what the 'something' is. If the claimant still asserts there's something in the box even after you've checked and found nothing, the reasonable assumption is that the claim is false. If the claimant then modifies his claim to say that the thing in the box is invisible and intangible (or transcendent, if you will), it is *then* impossible to prove a negative ... but it is still entirely reasonable to conclude that the claim is totally spurious, and also to distrust any subsequent claim that individual makes. And if they continue asserting their claim, the burden of proof lies with the claimant to prove that there is actually anything in the box at all. |
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 SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2751 Posts
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Friday, January 11, 2013 2:36:38 PM
markust, you can have whatever views you want, but, asking for proof that something doesn't exist? That's beneath you, Bro. You're more intelligent and a better thinker than that. Consider what you're asking for there, and why it's such a silly request. Again, you can believe as you see fit, obviously, but, the conclusion is pretty clear if you engage it with logic even a little bit. |
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