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Jon Stewart On Gun Control

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klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 647 Posts
Friday, January 11, 2013 12:04:34 AM
@CrakrJak - You misspelled that. Let me help you.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." ---Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16150 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:00:22 PM

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11744 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:40:56 PM
The day I can walk into his studio without encountering an armed guard is the day I will listen to his arguments.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 22054 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:09:57 PM
@PAtticakes: The NRA wants make mental illness an issue: the Liberals have said since the 60's they should be free to live like ordinary folks.
But the truely NEED help@! Over half the "street people were once in mental lock-ups, but released.
Jails are used to help them too, but #1 it's not the "best place" for them and #2 once released they often stop taking their meds and go back to crime.
Remember, you cannot "force" someone to rehabilitate...

Re-open the Asylums to house the "street people" and offer them a place to go besides prison. Will Biden suggest that, for reals? I'b bet, NO!

patticakes
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 459 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:58:24 PM
It is extremely difficult to get mentally ill people off the streets. Why is no one talking about that? And big pharmaceutical companies are pushing antidepressants on as many people as possible. Why is no one talking about that? Some people have serious adverse reactions to these antidepressants. Why is no one talking about that? Is it because the left has been salivating for 100 years to get our guns away from us?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 22054 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:54:20 PM
Were 2/3 of your data refuted by my data? Yes! So the new gun restrictions would prevent suicies = is false. They either wouldn't drop or they use other methods.
Joh tried to work like it was all murders, and THAT is clearly false.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 22054 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:41:50 PM
Why are you changing the subject?

You listed source claiming 20K sucide death guns. I foined out that other nations resrtcted guns: had a fall in gun rates but rises in other (NO verall benefir) the other show a tiny drop, NOT significant, in gunsuicides,. So adding suicide as a Gun death meaning add that to all methods too.

And Other USA causes are 10X worse but Jon ignores that...

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10119 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:40:56 PM
A Modern day handgun is sufficient for the point being made about how deadly the modern weapons are.


That's like saying how modern day medical science is sufficient for the point being made about how effective modern medicine is. In case you didn't know, only 1/20 gun injuries are fatal.

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:36:01 PM
@5Cats "Once again: The "Average American" CANNOT OWN "state of the art weapons" ie: machine guns (which includes "assault rifles", btw) rocket launcers, bombs, & etc. "

I wasn't referring to "assualt rifles" etc (coincidently miniguns are legal (to own not make anymore)) I was just explaining what he means by referring to the second Amendament and muskets. A Modern day handgun is sufficient for the point being made about how deadly the modern weapons are.

Same way that all laws over time need to be updated, as they won't be sufficient for new technologies or situations. But it's a bit strange to use the 2nd Amendmant in the way that it is by the gun lobby, as it's out of context in modern day society. How America seeks to update or change their laws is down to them. But It's an apt comparison to point out the 2nd Amendment was not conceived with even the fire power available in a handgun today in mind. Which is th

kcpd2050
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 330 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:20:39 PM
I love JS but I couldn't take his squeaky voice.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10119 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:15:16 PM
To Jon and the liberals' point when conservatives speak of arming themselves against tyranny they are being rather vague and gradiose. However, our history is riddled with circumstances where people CANNOT trust the police to respect their rights or property. Thus they should legally be able to retain the capability to outgun them when such circumstances arise.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10119 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:07:54 PM
I never said anything about that


You cited suicide statistics, care to backpedal any further?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10119 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:06:40 PM
As usual, this "News Clown" is not only wrong, self contradicting AND condecending, he's also following the MSM line to the letter...


While I concur this episode didn't quite give me the laughs like it usually does, you apparently haven't seen his recent smattering of the "trillion dollar coin".

In one statement he claims more laws "might help reduce" gun crimes.
THEN he says: the fact that a 10 year stricter gun law had NO EFFECT was irrelivant: more laws are needed



Not sure how you can infer expanding what we got. Certainly it would mean changing and eliminating the ones that don't work.

<@5Cats comment on: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:46:28 PM>

Yep not defending any of those.

securitywyrm
Male, 18-29, Western US
 89 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:49:05 PM
So if the 2nd amendment should only apply to weapons of the musket-level technology, should the first amendment not apply to the internet?

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3165 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:44:27 PM
"Wiki Says taking away guns does NOT reduce overall suicides."

Why are you changing the subject? I never said anything about that. You claimed he lied, and you were called out on that. Just admit it.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 22054 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:38:31 PM
@Bakcagain: Once again: The "Average American" CANNOT OWN "state of the art weapons" ie: machine guns (which includes "assault rifles", btw) rocket launcers, bombs, & etc.

So the weapons the gun-grabbers are demanding be restricted, are ALREADY restricted, so what is the point of more laws?

OBVIOUSLY it is to grab (restrict, same thing) more, different kinds of guns.
It's what happened in Canada, it's a fact!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 22054 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:33:30 PM
@Ilikelogic: Why? Because this IAB link and your source link BOTH do not work in Canada (and some other countries).
It's only logical! And it's the only YouTube one I could find...

@MrPeabody: Nice! As is usual for you.

@FoolsPrussia: Wiki Says taking away guns does NOT reduce overall suicides.
Wiki Also Says Overall? Cardiovascular kills 350,000. Other causes are higher too.

Again, "guns do not kill people" ok? A gun, on a table, with no bullets, never hurt anyone.

A human, using it as a tool, is what causes the harm. Same for arson (ban matches!), car crashes (ban cars!), stabbings (ban knives!) & etc.

Nice try though!

skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 895 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:31:51 PM
@prussia no, i know. I'm just saying that even though the number is 30k, 2/3 of them have nothing to do with the reasoning behind this whole gun debate. People like Jon say 30k deaths and act like its 30k murders when its more like 10k murders.


FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3165 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:28:06 PM
@skullgrin: 5Cats claimed 30,000 gun deaths was a lie and I was refuting him.

skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 895 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:27:23 PM
You're looking at it from today's perspective. Back then it was a state of the art weapon. That's the point Jon is missing. The founding fathers of this country saw it fit for the people to own state-of-the-art weapons. Do you really believe that if ar-15's and the like were available back then that they would have excluded them? You'll be out of your mind if your answer is yes to that question.

skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 895 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:25:29 PM
@foolsprussia....2/3 of those were suicides. You dont think those people would have found a diff way? The gun was not a factor in their deaths

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:24:50 PM
@skullgrin you miss his point. Muskets were seen as sophisticated weapons but could still not be fired as quickly or cause the type of mass carnage modern day weapons could. The danger posed by a lone gunman was pretty negligible once they had to reload after the initial the shooting would be over as the rest of the group of people around would step in. They also were not especially accurate. So the potential danger and harm to others were a lot less when the 2nd amendment was envisaged.

skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 895 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:21:17 PM
I normally like him, but he sounded like a complete idiot in that segment.

for example, muskets were the equivalent of AR-15's back when the constitution was written. Those were the some of the most sophisticated firearms on the planet at the time.


FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3165 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:12:27 PM
@5Cats:

"In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,


Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222

Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011."

Source

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:09:51 PM
The following quotation is sometimes attributed to Thomas Jefferson:

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."

This is not something Jefferson wrote, but rather comes from a passage he included in his "Legal Commonplace Book." The passage is from Cesare Beccaria's Essay on Crimes and Punishments.

Source

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