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 skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 853 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:21:40 PM
if you choose to eat out you are also choosing to tip. I hate tipping, but if I'm going out to eat then I know I'm going to have to tip. It's part of the package. If you can't do it for whatever reason then save your money and cook something at home...its cheaper anyways....this was just a dick move |
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 SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2734 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:58:49 PM
MeGrendel, it's also discretionary for me to call the police if I see a thief breaking into your house or car. It's discretionary if I try to help you if you have had an accident and are injured (e.g. losing blood). Some things in society, though, we do because, to not do them is to be a dirtbag. |
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SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2734 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:56:29 PM
Okay, to be clear, in my post below, I should have said if they "serve you well and take care of you as expected". |
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SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2734 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:54:58 PM
See, if that's real, that's non-nice individual behavior right there. When you go out to eat in the U.S., you're entering into a social contract with that server in which, if they serve you, you're going to tip them around 15% of the final bill or so. You decide you don't have the money to tip, you make your lazy, pooass self a drating pizza, you poobag! |
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 kayakdog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
48 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:39:13 PM
fair enough. |
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Zuriel
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
412 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:32:59 PM
lol ppl still tip? |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:32:45 PM
kayakdog-"you have made the point that you can get my name down, like,a lot"
Sorry, just my posting style. I was replying to each point, and wanted to accurately attribute each quote.
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kayakdog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
48 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:17:40 PM
MeGrendle - you have made the point that you can get my name down, like,a lot. As for opinion versus fact, for all the quoting of me you did, I never said required. I did say expected, which is discretionary, but strongly relied on, not a bonus It is expected that you wash your hands when you. And the government may not have requirements that you tip, but the servers taxes are based on the expectation that their lower wage will be bolstered by tips to at minimum, the normal minimum wage, and are expected to pay taxes on wages of that level, and to report when their tips rise above that level. And for those that want to go out to eat but not tip or can't afford to - there are plenty of places you can go where you don't have table service that expects tips.
also, if you really need to go troll level breakdown - *expects* not exptects.
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 FascismYeah
Male, 18-29, Southern US
36 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 2:07:27 PM
I have regulars that pay my bills. Whether you tip or not, waiting on you you is honestly a waste of my time. So save yourself the 5 cents it costs to print this off and just don't tip. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10187 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:51:06 PM
worst tippers are lawyers
That I can acknowledge through first hand experience. Which says alot about bad tippers. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:47:54 PM
kayakdog-"that is why the set minimum wage for servers is lower"
Which is why I learned real quick I didn't want to work that type of job.
kayakdog-"there is an expectation by the industry"
I don't care what the industry exptects, it's discretionary.
kayakdog-"and the government"
The government has recognized that people DO tip, not that they are expected to. That is why they allow the industry to figure it into their wage, and reduce the business's contribution accordingly. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:47:41 PM
kayakdog-"why are you spending it eating out in the first place?"
The reality is some people want to eat out, but don't want to tip. Tipping is not mandatory. (worst tippers are lawyers, followed by Baptists on Sundays)
kayakdog-"prior argument sure did seem against it"
There's a difference between aruing facts and opinion. The fact is, tips are not required. My opinion is that it is the right thing to do.
kayakdog-"that (being a bonus) is not the case at all"
Until such time as tips are mandatory, it is the case. It doesn't matter what is 'expected'. It is strictly discretionary. |
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kayakdog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
48 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:32:48 PM
MeGrendel - you are right that it isn't my decision to make, but if you are so finacially hurting that you cannot afford to tip, why are you spending it eating out in the first place? I'm glad to hear you personally believe in tipping, but your prior argument sure did seem against it. As for it being a bonus for good service - that is not the case at all. A large tip is a bonus, a modest tip is expected, that is why the set minimum wage for servers is lower by far than for any other job - there is an expectation by the industry and the government that people will tip. |
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 MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1436 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:25:26 PM
obamacare forced my workplace to cut all part time workers to 25hrs max per week so we don't get covered :(
Not only that, but if you do not buy health insurance, you will be paying a penalty tax for not having insurance. Not sure when it exactly takes effect, but I've seen 2014 and 2016. So much for "free" health care. |
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MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1436 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:17:04 PM
@Mr.Peabody: You're hitting "refresh" and accidentally re-posting... lolz!
Gotta get more posts than Gerry somehow.
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:04:20 PM
kayakdog-"If you can't afford the tip, eat somewhere else."
Not your decision to make.
Personally, I believe in tipping. The most I've ever tipped was over 100%. I also expect quality service. The worst tip was I got a guy fired. |
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 HOBYandy
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2963 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 1:03:51 PM
@Pisseded: I worked in customer service WHILE I was doing my undergrad work. Care to rephrase that?
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 animalss
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
22 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:46:19 PM
"I'm sick and tired of "Service Employees" bitching about bad tips. Maybe you should have listened in school and maybe you'd have a better job LOSER!!!!"
It's completely possible for someone to work in customer service while paying their way through school. |
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 ausrotten6
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
8 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:44:18 PM
I would like to see how much the bill was |
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kayakdog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
48 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:37:57 PM
whether the card is real or not, whodat6484 is absolutely correct. If they do a bad job, sure, don't tip or undertip, same as if someone not doing their job somewhere else shouldn't get paid. But if they did a good job, that is their livelihood. MeGrendel - Mr. Pink much? maybe not all servers report honestly, but most do, and they pay taxes on those. If you can't afford the tip, eat somewhere else. The reduction in hours the server works and the decrease in business is still sharing in spread of the misery. |
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Pisseded
Male, 50-59, Western US
5 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:30:41 PM
I'm sick and tired of "Service Employees" bitching about bad tips. Maybe you should have listened in school and maybe you'd have a better job LOSER!!!! |
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 danagamer
Male, 30-39, Western US
444 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:29:20 PM
take that, underpaid food service worker! |
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 TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2169 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:28:41 PM
You're getting what you voted for, morons! |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:20:38 PM
sweetrebelnc-"That waiter or waitress pays his or her fair share of taxes, too."
Probably not.
Mikeoxsbiggg-"if you don't want to tip eat at home."
A tip is not required. It's a bonus for good service. It's discretionary. Increased taxes result in less discretionary spending.
Dragonace-" So to not tip a waiter or waitress who gave you exceptional service"
It's very possible that he keeps those in his pocket for the times he gets crappy service. Making two points at once.
Libs are all for 'spreading the wealth', but kinda get upset when the resultig misery is spread, too. |
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 whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2237 Posts
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Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:05:29 PM
For those b*tching about tips, servers in restaurants do count on tips to live. The wage they're paid by the restaurant varies from state to state in the US, $2.13/hr being the minimum wage set by the Department of Labor. So yeah, if you don't tip a waiter/waitress that did their job right and took good care of you, you're an a$$hole. |
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