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Mother Of 2 Surprises Intruder With A .38 Revolver

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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 8:02:09 AM
@randomxnp: He didn't mention specific crimes, he only said "violent crime." Completely different things. Britain counts affrays as violent crime. Even for assault, the US only considers it if it causes bodily harm. My point is that to make the assertion that a country has more violent crime is disingenuous, because all countries have different definitions of "violent crime." It is possible there is more rape in the UK, and that could be a more meaningful comparison, but then you're into definitions of "forcible rape" and sexual assault, because again, even these crimes aren't necessarily categorized in the same way between countries. However, this is not what he said. He then proceeded to link to a youtube video that displays this same ignorance. If he had mentioned specific crimes that would be one thing, but he did not, so I criticize, and aptly so I might say.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1066 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 8:00:08 AM
patchgrabber

You should follow the news in your own country. A man has just been found not guilty. He shot at an intruder with a legally-owned firearm. He was arrested and charged for the shooting. When prosecutors were forced to drop that charge, they were vindictive enough to charge him (with no evidence whatever) with violations against weapon storage laws.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1066 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:52:58 AM
MacGuffin

OK, so you are supposed to wait to see if someone rapes you? Wow. I did not know they made people so stupid. Except Catunze of course.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3039 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:47:53 AM
white woman shoots a black man
sounds like a hate crime to me.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:37:44 AM
I feel my liberal side being so nauseated by the liberals in this thread. Seriously fellas? I should just be able to waltz onto someone else's without risking my own well being? Anyone who does, even if it's the property owner or legal resident, should face sanction by the state? Really? Strange though it's not the reason why don't call myself a liberal anymore.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:36:14 AM
Proper training lends even more confidence and control.

That arguments suports mine as well, so i'd say were in agreement on that? i'd add as a thought that, since i don't have to worry where my weapon is, if it's loaden/safety off etc, have to grab it and aim when that situation we never hope to encounter does arise i tend to feel pretty safe and confident most of the time.

as for situational awareness i agree 100% and i might suggest certian precautions around the house which hinder an intruders progress.


randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1066 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:35:28 AM
patchgrabber

Are you suggesting that rape is not a violent crime in the USA? Rape is higher in the UK. What about assault occasioning actual bodily harm ? Assault occasioning grievous bodily harm? You might not call them the same thing, but violence is violence.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1066 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:33:50 AM
CreamK

Unless you read the story, don't comment. I assume you are probably British, and you are embarrassing us here being one of the aforementioned people posting idiotic opinions that do not account for the known facts.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1066 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:30:46 AM
McMals

"People get so upset over this whole gun thing. Those of us who are "against guns" in the US aren't against all guns, just against assault weapons."

So you are against a left-wing fantasy, then?

There is no such thing. Assault rifles are military weapons and are already banned in the USA; the term "assault weapon" is meaningless, although it is used to represent a set of features that are almost entirely cosmetic - the one exception being magazine capacity which is itself irrelevant in the context.

Do you really not know that the news media are pounding you with propaganda? Do you really just parrot what you have been told by CNN?

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1066 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:26:40 AM
It's funny how socialists (no, I will not call you liberals: that is a dishonest euphemism, as your philosophy is fundamentally illiberal) are wiling to announce themselves as idiotic to defend their ideology.

How can anyone suggest that an intruder who went to the attic to which a mother and her children had fled suggest that the intruder was just involved in burglary? No, I don't think you people are thick: I just think that you are so politically blinkered you are willing to say really stupid things to avoid having to amend your political ideas.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3641 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 7:19:55 AM
mcmals-"Those of us who are "against guns" in the US aren't against all guns"

You can only speak for yourself, as there is a significant portion of you who are 'against guns' because they have an irrational fear of anything gun related.

I know one person who is under the delusion that guns are mystical, that only the government can make them and if the government would just STOP making them they would magically dissappear (after all, they are much too complicated to be manufactured in anyone's backyard shop). They are evil in themselves and this person avoids the sporting-goods section of any store she is in because she believes the guns are going to jump out of the display, load themselves, jump in someones hand and start shooting customers.

She is, of course, delusional and completely ignorant on the issue of guns. Any attempt to educate her are all 'lies'.

You can't educate someone who already knows all they think they need

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16145 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 6:56:50 AM
MrOrange: A person with a handgun feels much more secure and therefore has an easier time controlling their base instincts. Proper training lends even more confidence and control.

Either way, situational awareness is critical, because a surprise ambush can defeat anyone's training.

mcmals
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 147 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 6:53:33 AM
People get so upset over this whole gun thing. Those of us who are "against guns" in the US aren't against all guns, just against assault weapons. NO CIVILIAN in the US needs a gun that can fire off 20 rounds in 2 seconds. I completely understand wanting a hand gun or something similar for self defense, I even understand wanting a rifle to hunt with, but you don't need a weapon used for modern warfare lying around the house…..that's just ridiculous

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3641 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 6:40:42 AM
chalket-_"grasp at any tragedy or horrific news story trying to promote his particular vision of how America should be"_

Congratulations, you just described the liberial methodology.

MrOrange-"my brain would function at a level that yours will never reach."

And that level would be 'stoned'.

CreamK-"There is no way of knowing what were his intentions"

Yes it is. His intentions were illegal and to violate the sanctity of someone else's home.

CreamK-"he mother had no right to shoot"

And there you demonstrate you're a total moron. She had every right to protect her kids and her home.

CreamK-"What i can read from pro-gunners is the possibility of killing someone legally that attracts them."

Obviously rational thinking is not your strong point. Neither is reading comprehension.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1394 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 6:37:00 AM
After all this I'm left to wonder how stupid the other 41 Musuko's are.


patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 6:02:03 AM
You know. England (excluding Ireland and Scotland) has a much higher violent crime rate the the U.S.

FFS read about what laws are considered "violent crime" in each country then go sit in the corner.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 6:00:46 AM
@abrxax

But a much lower murder rate.

So if we have more violence, but less murder, that means I'm more likely to get hurt, but less likely to get killed?

I am happy with that trade-off.

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 5:43:26 AM
You know. England (excluding Ireland and Scotland) has a much higher violent crime rate the the U.S.
http://youtu.be/Ooa98FHuaU0
No guns in England..Your gonna get stabbed...over and over..getting stabbed sucks...really sucks..

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 5:26:01 AM
@abrxax

I would say "OI!" and give the intruder the opportunity to run away (which I imagine most any burglar will take; they want my stuff, not a fight), leaving us both unharmed, and leaving me the leisure of calling the police and making it their problem.

If he kept coming at me, well, then I'd probably be screwed.

But I'd also be screwed if I woke up to a hungry tiger sharing my bedroom.

The reason I'm not arming myself up is the same for both scenarios: I consider the likelihood of finding myself in that situation is too slim for me to realistically worry about, and I can't live my life preparing for every possible bad thing. I have to play the odds.

So I don't have a weapon to defend against violent intruders, and I don't have whatever it is I'd need to fight off a hungry tiger. In my circumstances, I don't feel any need to fear either of these.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10224 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 5:16:05 AM
PS/ How about a "Hand up" and a Pulp-Fiction monologue?

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10224 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 5:14:24 AM
Five shots to the head and he drives away? Sounds like she needs a heavier calibre (and that's not even coming from a gun-nut).

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 4:59:15 AM
Also she satisfied the requirements of the retreat doctrine. She was in a crawl space with her kids. What was he doing looking in there is all he wanted was stuff?

Kinda makes you think. Doesn't it?

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 4:55:26 AM
So...lets be rational for a moment. You are at home enjoying your free trade, organic tea. Someone kicks in your door. Are you going to offer to make them a cup? Have a nice sit down with the intruder and talk to them about their drug habit? You know people that steel from homes are reasonable, nonviolent people. They would never do anything like beat you unconscious so you can't call the police. To them your stuff is worth physical injury...or worse to you.


YOUR HOME IS YOUR CASTLE AND YOU HAVE A GOD, FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, GIVEN RIGHT TO DEFEND IT AS SUCH.

Pinkminx22
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 975 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 4:09:02 AM
If I'm not home that's one thing,than the home owners insurance would be the better option, because I would not be home..Than the potential to be raped and killed would no longer be there because my family and I would be removed from the situation. Possessions are just things I understand that, but if someone breaks into my home while I am there, then I would see them as a potential threat and they may not be leaving my house in one piece.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Monday, January 07, 2013 3:48:05 AM
@Pinkminx22

There are other ways to protect your property that don't involve lethal force. Home and contents insurance springs to mind. I don't feel property is worth protecting with violence.

Protecting your person is another matter, and I won't challenge you on that front. You face threats in that sense that I'm very unlikely to face, nor understand.

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