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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
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Monday, January 07, 2013 11:14:48 PM
@AJ: Mexican drug cartels get their guns from border states like Texas.
@Prussia'sFool Not true (excepting, of course, the ones that Eric Holder sold them in a pernicious attempt to promote violence and murder of innocent Mexicans so as to justify further restricting our rights under the 2nd Amendment). Most of the guns used by criminals in Mexico come up through Central America. |
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OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8947 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 11:06:59 PM
Just out of interest, does anybody know of a serious politician or pressure group seeking to ban all privately held guns?
Yes, a many elected Democrats would love to ban private gun ownership. However, they know they can't actually do it in one fell swoop, so they push their agenda incrementally.
First they want registration of handguns, and then all firearms. Next they want to ban private sales, and then start putting licensed dealers out of business. Next they will ban so-called assault rifles (ugly guns), then semi-automatic pistols, then semi-auto rifles and shotguns, then all handguns, then any firearm that doesn't have a "sporting purpose," (as if the 2nd amendment was adopted to guarantee our right to keep and bear sporting goods), and finally they'll confiscate all firearms -- at least all those that people were stupid enough to register.
Just don't expect them to have the intellectual honesty to tell you that up front. |
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OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8947 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 10:53:33 PM
ive asked twice and got no response. if there is a gun ban and all the law abiding citizens turn in their guns, how do they protect themselves from criminals still in possession of handguns?
They don't.
Hey, at least you got a response. |
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 wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 1:43:31 PM
ive asked twice and got no response. if there is a gun ban and all the law abiding citizens turn in their guns, how do they protect themselves from criminals still in possession of handguns? |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10540 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 12:49:42 PM
This is one of them many more if you look. Politicians know they can do it outright all at once so they go about it laws by law until they get what they want. |
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 LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2491 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 9:49:21 AM
Just out of interest, does anybody know of a serious politician or pressure group seeking to ban all privately held guns? Or, vice versa, seeking to remove all regulation?
If not then surely the debate is about the details of gun control, not the principle |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5329 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 7:06:15 AM
That sheriff shot back at them and bought alot of people time not making a good case on that one.
Well, 10 people were already dead when he finally got there, and since he wasn't wearing his glasses he couldn't hit a barn door with his gun. He did manage to buy one injured student time to get away, but he only fired 4 shots before the shooter went back inside. To say he bought many time to escape is incorrect. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10540 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 6:39:13 AM
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10540 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 6:24:13 AM
There was also a sheriff at Columbine the day Klebold and Harris carried out their massacre.
That sheriff shot back at them and bought alot of people time not making a good case on that one. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10540 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 6:22:44 AM
Notice not one source of this story mentions the legality of the gun used. MSN was pushing this down peoples throats all weekend and they're going to keep doing it everytime something with a gun happens. Nope that's not an agenda there..... |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6686 Posts
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Monday, January 07, 2013 5:44:54 AM
Way down the leaderboard. |
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wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 8:38:26 PM
Yet, overall murders by guns are at their lowest point in 10+ years.
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rosieodonnel
Male, 18-29, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:42:11 PM
@FoolsPrussia Yet the guns they get are illegal in the US. Your point? |
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rosieodonnel
Male, 18-29, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:40:43 PM
@MattPrince
Actually it still kind of is. AMD, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Apple, and Google are all very heavy driving forces behind the tech industry. |
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rosieodonnel
Male, 18-29, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:38:40 PM
@Listypoos People need to realize it's the same story with the 'assault rifles' too. The AR15 has been on the market since the 60s, I believe. |
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rosieodonnel
Male, 18-29, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:32:28 PM
Alright, these shootings become more and more frequent, and there has been no change in gun regulation recently. I think it's time I grab my tinfoil hat. |
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wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:31:33 PM
There were over 19,000 deaths by accidental drug overdose in 2004. The majority of these deaths were from prescription drugs, not illegal drugs. Banning prescription drugs makes as much sense as banning guns |
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wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:30:00 PM
According to Dr. Gary Kleck, criminologist at Florida State University in Tallahassee and author of "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America," a book used by many in the gun debate, 800,000-2,500,000 crimes are stopped by guns each year. |
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wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:27:30 PM
@Fools: fair point, but can you please address my earlier question? "So lets assume we ban all guns, only law abiding citizens will abide by the law; therefore, law abiding citizens will be defenseless and criminals will be the only ones left with guns. Who is in control now?" |
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 MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:43:46 AM
"A random hostage situation does not a downfall make. "
Agreed, my point was that, despite being involved at some point with all the processes and hardware involved in this posting, the USA is no longer essential to it.
Interesting opportunity to brush up on the history of electrical power distribution. Tesla was certainly pivotal. |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2990 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:12:25 AM
@wzntme1776: The gun free zone argument is ridiculous. There was a private citizen with a gun at the Giffords shooting, and he was unable to stop Loughner. There was also a sheriff at Columbine the day Klebold and Harris carried out their massacre.
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wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 10:04:28 AM
@Fools: You just confirmed the point that just because you make them illegal doesnt mean criminals wont find a way to get them, i.e. meth, cocaine, heroine, alcohol during prohibition, et al. |
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wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:51:04 AM
'Gun Free Zones' (like they have at schools) only serve to tell criminals, "Hey, if you come in with a gun there is nothing we can do to stop you!" |
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wzntme1776
Male, 40-49, Western US
27 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:49:41 AM
So lets assume we ban all guns, only law abiding citizens will abide by the law; therefore, law abiding citizens will be defenseless and criminals will be the only ones left with guns. Who is in control now? |
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FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2990 Posts
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Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:37:41 AM
@AJ: Mexican drug cartels get their guns from border states like Texas. |
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