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George W. Bush, Episode II

Hits: 4994 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: buddy
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Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:12:22 AM
Oh, one last thing. They knew they were lieing about the WMD's.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/ar...

So let's not kid ourselves.


Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Friday, February 11, 2005 6:44:47 PM
”My god is not part of organized religeon or the leader of any group.”

I think these 51 theologons will back me up in saying that you do not worship the god they worship. Rather, it seems, you worship a god you have twisted up in your own head, like a drating ballon animal, into a god of war.

“My god would hope that you and your kind would see that there is no peace without war.”

Funny. I know this guy living in a cave in Pakastan who thinks the same thing.


Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Friday, February 11, 2005 6:38:48 PM
“were living in moral fear of their corrupt, abusive
dictator that you would rather have just kept in power until he did as
he promised and beat the civilized world to the ground.”

Saddam didn’t have any problem with the civilized world. He wanted to bomb Iran into the ground but that was about it. He wouldn’t have even attacked Kuwait if our Secretary of State hadn’t gone on TV and said we wouldn’t get involved if they did. Yeah, he was an evil bastard, but let’s not kid ourselves.

”It's just disrespectful and cheap to do so.”

Then why does your side claim the dead, claim their courage and their sacrifice as supporting their beliefs so consistently? We don’t bring them up as being anything but an expression of our wish that they would not have died. You make them into a center piece. Its hypocritical in the worst possible way.


Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Friday, February 11, 2005 6:33:15 PM
Oh hell no, it was not.

“And the Taliban was no credible threat before 9-11”

The Taliban was no credible threat before during and after 9-11. That was a massive f*ck up on every single level of government. I mean, Bush didn’t even meet with his terrorism advisor once before 9-11 no matter how much he begged him too.

That heads haven't rolled is an American tragedy.

”its called preemptive strike.”

It's called drating illegal. I mean striking before they can strike us... isn’t that how terrorists operate? And now that we’ve used the international rule of law to wipe our asses with, what’s to stop North Korea or any tin pot dictator from claming they were just making a preemptive strike on us? In the end it drats us.

”The iraqians”

Second time. It’s Iraqis, not Iraqians.


eastsiderepp
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 7318 Posts
Friday, February 11, 2005 6:17:31 PM
That was well done.

jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:39:31 PM
And the Taliban was no credible threat before 9-11
its called preemptive strike. The iraqians were living in moral fear of their corrupt, abusive dictator that you would rather have just kept in power until he did as he promised and beat the civilized world to the ground.
Maybe no names were used but if a soldier dies for what he beleives in, he has every right to rest im peace and not have a symbolic representation of him used for anything for or against those beliefs. It's just disrespectful and cheap to do so.

My god is not part of organized religeon or the leader of any group. He is the sole creator of the earth, the all knowing.

I'm not saying I agree 100% with how things were done or will be done. Hindsight is 20/20 and some information the world considered true was wrong. We do what we need to do and make the best out of any situation, thats all we can do.


ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:36:53 PM
But let’s look at the elections. This free system seems to have elected a Islamic theocracy in Iraq. In an overwhelming victory. It would seem our short sightedness just created another Taliban.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/Feb/...

I think your god is going to be holding his applause for a while.

“My god would hope that you and your kind would see that there is no peace without war.”

I don’t think your god would agree with that statement.

“Think UN corruption.”

Think no credible threat.


ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:35:29 PM
”SO you would force your political views upon a dead soldier, making him part of your protest whether he agreed with the cause or not.”

Ok, you phrase it like that, then yes. We them part of the protest. However, again, we do it because we are upset that they have died.

“You think this is ok? If I took your name and use it to endorse war would that be ok with you? What if you werent even alive to defend your views?”

Again, there isn’t anyone’s name involved here. However, if anyone wanted to carry my coffin I couldn’t help by feel grateful that someone I didn’t know was morning my death, that someone I didn’t know wished I was alive. Whatever views lead them to that point would seem to be irrelevant.

“My god would applaud the freedom now given to Iraqians.”

I think your god is holding his applause until Iraqis (not "Iraqians") are able to live without moral fear.


jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:37:00 AM
SO you would force your political views upon a dead soldier, making him part of your protest whether he agreed with the cause or not. You think this is ok? If I took your name and use it to endorse war would that be ok with you? What if you werent even alive to defend your views?

My god would applaud the freedom now given to Iraqians. My god would hope that you and your kind would see that there is no peace without war. War sucks, no doubt. Im not going to argue about your silly "illegal war" comment, because frankly if you dont get it yet, you never will. Think UN corruption.


ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:40:42 AM
“ God Bless America, and God Bless our troops who do what they do.”

I don’t think a God of love can truly ever bless a battlefield by doing anything other then stopping the war taking place on it.
But I will say that I hope each and every one of them makes it home alive. And because I know they wont, I’ll keep on shouldering coffins.


ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:40:31 AM
“Ragdrazi, are you in some way saying that supporting our troops is going against what you beleive in? or against what the soldiers in Iraq died for?”

No! Absolutely not. What I am saying is that the right has taken the concept of supporting our troops, of appreciating their sacrifice, and of grieving for the loss of life, and equated it all an unquestioning acceptance Bush and our current path in the world now. I’m saying that is wrong.
I do not support illegal war, and the proven track record of lies this president has given us. And if called upon to shoulder bodies home from that battlefield that didn't need to happen, I would gladly do so.

“I would not want my name or boot or anything to be used for that protest. I'm sure they didnt ask these soldiers before they died their opinion on the matter.”

Well considering how these are unmarked flag draped pieces of cardboard, you can think of participation by the dead as being strictly voluntary.


jtc970
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 346 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:11:36 PM
Ragdrazi, are you in some way saying that supporting our troops is going against what you beleive in? or against what the soldiers in Iraq died for? I would not want my name or boot or anything to be used for that protest. I'm sure they didnt ask these soldiers before they died their opinion on the matter. God Bless America, and God Bless our troops who do what they do.

ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:02:34 PM
ha?

Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:21:14 PM
“No. You did it to undermine Bush.”

Aljazeerah? You go to bat with Aljazeerah? Anyway, no, what this article shows is that we did it at a protest against Bush. The reason we do it is because we are upset that they have died.

"Here's a clue - Sarcasm is lost”

Point it out.

“’Cry more’ is a popular term from games when someone throws a hissy fit after losing a game. It's not meant as an insult, it's meant as a joke.”

So telling me that I’m throwing a hissy fit because of loosing isn’t an insult? So it’s a joke then? Ok. Then. Um. What are you looking for…


Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:20:37 PM
"’But that's what all of you do with every soldier dead in Iraq.’
Give me one example.”

Ok, well, what do you want.

Why isn’t this just “We support our men and women risking all”? There could be all these people dieing right now who do not believe that this war has anything to do with defending our freedom, right. You guys would never claim the sacrifice would you? Of course you do. Why do you bring Support our Troops signs to protests when both sides say over and over that they support our troops. If your stance is that you cannot speak about their sacrifice then why bring it up. If this is taboo territory then why is Bush always bringing their sacrifice up and almost claiming it as his own.


Zooks
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 169 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:00:53 PM
"Cry more" is a popular term from games when someone throws a hissy fit after losing a game. It's not meant as an insult, it's meant as a joke. Hence the, "Please see the humor in this and don't REALLY throw a hissy fit" remark before I even SAID it.

Zooks
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 169 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:00:06 PM
"But that's what all of you do with every soldier dead in Iraq."

Give me one example.

"We carry the coffins of the dead because we are upset that they've died. Pure and simple. If you want that to be a bad thing then so be it."

No. You did it to undermine Bush.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2005%20News%20archives/January/20n/Police%20Use%20Tear%20Gas%20at%20Bush%20Inauguration,%20Mock%20Coffins%20and%20Anti-War%20Chants%20as%20Bush%20Sworn%20In.htm (and the tear gas is something else I don't agree with.)


"“And you think that ‘Cry more liberals’ was meant to be taken seriously?”
You didn’t mean it as anything other then an insult.
“So, now I'm being called a dumbass.. My response to that? Grow up. Really.”

Oh drat off. If you had looked above my post you could have instantly seen that I was making a joke. You didn’t and so are a dumbass."

Here's a clue - Sarcasm is lost


Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:22:42 PM
That combined with the death of some of his friends kind of made him question weather or not the war was something worth believing in.

What he felt about it is that we had carried the bodies of his dead friends, who had died for no good reason. So you, sitting there, behind your keyboard should respect what he has to say. You haven't got a clue about his pain.

"Us sending you to the war in Iraq, you dieing, us taking a representation of you, and then using it to show an American soldier's bravery and twisting it to show that you should support George Bush."

But that's what all of you do with every soldier dead in Iraq.

We carry the coffins of the dead because we are upset that they've died. Pure and simple. If you want that to be a bad thing then so be it.


Ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16:27 PM
“And you think that ‘Cry more liberals’ was meant to be taken seriously?”
You didn’t mean it as anything other then an insult.

“So, now I'm being called a dumbass.. My response to that? Grow up. Really.”

Oh drat off. If you had looked above my post you could have instantly seen that I was making a joke. You didn’t and so are a dumbass.

“Good for him. I'm guessing he didn't believe in the war, or what we were doing - which would mean he isn't one of the dead soldier's I was talking about.”

Actually he went in just fine with it. Then when he realized we weren’t hunting down OSB in Afghanistan, that all they gave him to do was sit around base. In Iraq he realized that every night he was kicking down the door of some Iraqi scared pooless civilian’s house, and tying up the men, just for a firing position.


Zooks
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 169 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:02:54 PM
RPharazon, waffles are good.

And I would have voted for Dean had I been 18 at the time, and he was still running. I'm not completely Republican. I don't agree with Bush's stand point on gay marriage, and alot of other stuff. Dean > Bush > Kerry


Zooks
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 169 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:59:50 PM
And you think that "Cry more liberals" was meant to be taken seriously?

So, now I'm being called a dumbass.. My response to that? Grow up. Really.

"I actually know a soldier, though not personally, who was stationed in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He was utterly moved."

Good for him. I'm guessing he didn't believe in the war, or what we were doing - which would mean he isn't one of the dead soldier's I was talking about. You know, the ones that believed in the Iraqi war, what we were doing, and died.. The ones that are now being used to protest it. In a way, that's like.. Us sending you to the war in Iraq, you dieing, us taking a representation of you, and then using it to show an American soldier's bravery and twisting it to show that you should support George Bush. How would that make you feel if you, somehow, found out about it? How would that make your family feel?


ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:06:57 AM
"Apparently many so called Americans have forgooten about 9-11"

9-11 = Osama bin Laden. Not Iraq and Saddam. Where is Osama? Do we care? Apparently many so called Americans, like Georgey Boy have completely forgotten about him.

"The true Americans are those fighting for our freedom right now and all those who support them and our president, so you all that are against him can go shove a stick up your ass..."

Go learn something before you argue against people.

"will we ever see any right-wing videos on I-A-B.com? probably not."

I've seen more then one. But hey, you don't like it. . . post one.

"The coffin demonstration at the when he was being sworn in to his second term made me sick, considering many of the people who were being represented probably agreed with what they were being assigned to do."

I actually know a soldier, though not personally, who was stationed in both Iraq and Afghanistan. He was utterly moved.


ragdrazi
Male, 18-29, Western US
 540 Posts
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:03:04 AM
"Just thought I'd fix your grammar for you. Atleast I think that was what you were trying to say."

Um. . . dumbass. . . it's parody of the post directly above it. . .

"Here we go: Cry more liberals."

Hey, wow, this thing obviously was not meant to be taken 100% seriously. I mean one of the forces seducing GWB to the dark side is a birthday clown. That's funny. Seriously, get the stick out your ass.

“I'm sure anyone that liked this movie are all good for nothing immagants who need to get the hell out of this country because you don't appricate what this man is truying to do for."

Truly an enlightened stance. Love the attacks on “immagants.”

"Do you enjoy be free having the rights do things that in other countries you could be killed."

Currently under the patriot act you can be arrested without charge and held forever. Were are my "be free" to enjoy?


RPharazon
Male, 13-17, Western US
 9 Posts
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:27:50 PM
If I had a waffle. This would roffle it.

And zooks, you're conservative, you're biased. Just as I am liberal, so i'm biased.

We need a non-biased person around here...


Zooks
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 169 Posts
Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:31:03 PM
Achillies, I disagree with you slightly. You can disagree with Bush, his ideals, and so on. But when you start talking about how you want him dead, compare him to Hitler, or use the names of dead soldiers or something to symbolize them to protest him, I feel you've stepped over the line. The coffin demonstration at the when he was being sworn in to his second term made me sick, considering many of the people who were being represented probably agreed with what they were being assigned to do.

Also, videos like this, and the Facism one, are just plain stupid.


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