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NRA Says AR-15's Useful for Hunting & Home Def

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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16135 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:41:35 PM
In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605.

In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

This is same trend is true for clubs/hammers (600+), bare hands/feet (800+) and knives (1800+), for 2005-2011.

Clearly, banning rifles is more idiotic than trying to ban knives, hammers and bare hands.

AutieDaddy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 6 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:18:24 PM
According to the FBI more murders are committed each year with hammers than rifles so let's ban construction tools too!!!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:09:55 PM
Love all the pictures of the guns. I've been waiting for the people who don't own guns to show pictures of their enormous penises. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

2L84ME
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 206 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:35:38 PM
Bullock, if I want to own a machine gun I should be able to.

thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3246 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 8:20:10 PM
More people are killed every year by blunt object attacks than rifle attacks.

pacojohnson
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:57:08 PM
And also, to reiterate, a bump fire stock does not constitute full auto, it merely simulates a full auto experience. You will not be able to maintain the fire rate of a full auto rifle, and you will have even less control over the weapon than you would with full auto. You can bump fire even without a special stock. Notice how much control he has over the weapon. Every time a bullet was fired, the trigger was cycled, unlike a full auto, where you just hold the trigger down.

pacojohnson
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:51:52 PM
@SmagBoy, following your own link, the second search result which popped up for me (as google tailors search results based on previous use) was from AR-15.com with a thread talking about how difficult it is to convert a civilian AR to full auto. Not only would you need to mill out the lower receiver, you would also need to replace the bolt carrier group and fire control group with full auto versions. Good luck trying to source those parts without the proper paperwork. Did you not even look over your own search results before posting?

temp4comment
Male, 60-69, Europe
 99 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:51:30 PM
Don't tell me it ain't useful for hunting, I just went hunting with one! They are GREAT for hunting.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:49:11 PM
Hey guys, i would just like to add that you can now purchase bumpfire stocks for your ar-15 making it a 100% legal fully automatic rifle.

The reason the 2nd amendment works is because you don't know who is carrying a gun.

Not to be insensitive, but sandy hook happened because the shooter knew there would be nobody to combat him in the elementary school. Arm the staff.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21843 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:33:52 PM
@SamgBoy: Your arguement is... poor.

Almost ANY car can speed, but usually people do NOT go 100 miles per hour in them, correct? Law obeying car owners obey the speed limits.
But criminals evading police do not!
So ALL CARS should be made to never go over 55 MPH, right?
That's the ONLY solution!

Oh no! Some criminal car owners modify their cars to go over 55MPH illegally, therefor ALL CARS must be impounded!@ It's the only way to ensure our safety!

@Angilion: I hope that's "absurdum" enough to make my point!

syke22
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 1089 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:28:30 PM
I'd say it's more of a range toy. There's still no reason we shouldn't be able to purchase them, though. Much more dangerous rifles out there

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21843 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:27:40 PM
Semi-automatics ARE perfectly legal in Canada: but buying or owning ANY gun is an expensive pain in the A, and the cops are your worst enemy!

As I said: the Ruger Mini-14 used in a mass murder is virtually the same as an AR-15 and was perfectly legal. All rules and regulations were followed and he STILL killed 12 and wounded 14...

So: Why exactly did Canada spend multiple billions of dollars on a "long rifle registration" for? Could those many billions have been BETTER spent?

Like, in actual crime preventions? Solutions? Eh?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21843 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:23:28 PM
Maiming is 'preferable' in a military context...

Roger that @MacGuffin! Killing the enemy isn't enough, inflicting grotesque wounds is required!
Stupid John Travolta movie...
But a great pick-up line! (it's in the movie)

Yes, the .223 is designed to injure rather than kill outright, BUT those bigger, "hunting" rounds are more dangerous, so why do this current crop of "gun banners" focus on the .223? Because they're IDIOTS of course!
Reference: @Canos.

Those police in India a few years ago, during that terrorist attack at the hotel? They were using Lee-Enfields from the 20's iirc...

and how do criminals over there get illegal guns?

@Canos: And the USA - Mexico border? Water-tight! A BUG can't crawl over it without ICE knowing, right? I mean, Left?
Oh wait... YOUR PotUS sent illegal weapons TO Mexico ON PURPOSE!

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3342 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 5:41:36 PM
"I know it's "illegal". Are you honestly saying (and expecting me to believe) that stops most *anyone* who buys this weapon?"

Yes, because people who have legal firearms like to keep their legal firearms. They know if they modify them they're now illegal and if they're busted for possession of illegal firearms there's a good chance they'll get slapped with a felony and then they won't be allowed to own any firearms.

skypirate
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 1980 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 5:37:38 PM
@Canoas

no, we ship guns to mexico...

bigfatdynamo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 259 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:56:57 PM
Yes, SmagBoy. I do expect that law-abiding citizens will not modify their firearms. I have not done so in any way, shape or form. Neither have any of my family members.

You're pronouncing guilt on people based on the types of firearms they want to own.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3604 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:53:16 PM
bigfatdynamo, I'm not trying to ban firearms. I'm not against guns. I do believe that it's stupid to say that a ban wouldn't work, though. I see too much proof in Australia, UK, Japan, etc. to deny the obvious. But, as I say, I don't care. I'm not against gun ownerrship. Hell, the more the merrier. I have nothing against responsible gun ownership.

What I do mind and have a problem with is being assumed an idiot. Like I said about the cars with speed limiters or locks, I know full well what people do with AR-15s. And yes, I know it's "illegal". Are you honestly saying (and expecting me to believe) that stops most *anyone* who buys this weapon?

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:51:16 PM
@5Cats
and how do criminals over there get illegal guns? Maybe from another country where it's legal to get them? hmmmm.. let me think of a country that borders canada with legal semi-automatics

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:50:33 PM
@canoas wow, big jump from an AR to a nuclear weapons. but then i guess in an anti-gun nut's eyes they are the same thing.


Did you really manage to miss the very obvious point so badly? Really?

Canoas was blatantly using a reductio ad absurdum argument to demonstrate the falseness of the argument he was replying to. The one he quoted in the post you are claiming to be replying to, but apparently didn't read.

The argument he was replying to was the usual one - that people should have the right to have uncontrolled use of any weapon they want.

That argument is ludicrous propaganda spew not believed even by the people making it - canoas is right to use reductio ad absurdum against it because it is indeed absurd.

Everyone supports some restrictions. The right argument is about where to draw the line, not babbling out ludicrous propaganda spewing.

bigfatdynamo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 259 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:39:34 PM
My preference to hunt small game, according to this author apparently, signifies that I am not a hunter. Maybe I shouldn't have to be licensed to hunt small game then!!

@SmagBoy1 - I have a cousin in the military who owns fully automatic firearms. He shoots seagulls with them. AR-15s require illegal parts (illegal for civilians) installed in an illegal process, which renders the firearm illegal. Using your logic, because I can modify my plumbing fixtures to create an illegal zip-gun, I should not be allowed to own a toilet. Well stop denying my body the right to choose... to poop!

I am wondering why no one has brought up this. For all intents and purposes, this mechanism makes a semi-automatic fully automatic.

Why has no one brought it up? Because the people who are complaining most are not properly educated concerning f

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:29:45 PM

However: Any 303 or 308 caliber round will do MORE damage at longer range than a .223, correct?


I think a 303 probably will, yeah. But that's a WWII -era calibre, IIRC - the sort of thing they used to use in Lee Enfield rifles. Most modern armies use 5.56mm, though US rounds and British rounds of that calibre tend only to be used in their respective countries' weapons (because British rounds designed for SA80s have more cordite and tend to gum up the gas plugs of the lighter US weapons).

5.56mm rounds are designed to maim rather than to kill, and are only accurate up to about 300 metres. Maiming is 'preferable' in a military context, because when you kill someone you only take out one enemy soldier (the guy you hit). However, when you maim someone you take them out plus the two guys it takes to carry them off the battlefield. It's a nasty, messed-up world, isn't it? :(

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21843 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:20:03 PM
Also: We're NOT allowed to use "pepper spray" or "tasers" to defend ourselves either. It's illegal.

>> Of course criminals still use "bear spray" in crimes (it's the exact same stuff, and legal for us to use... on bears!).

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21843 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:17:12 PM
Where will you draw the line and why?

@Canos: What is currently legal = that.
Why? Because it's highly UN-likely that a criminal will have a superiour weapon, OR body armour which can stop a serious hunting rifle.

HOWEVER: You advocate for Canada-like laws! Here we ARE horrificly out-gunned by criminals. They KNOW we have no weapons besides a knife or bat to defend ourself, they kick our doors down and feel safe doing so! Nice for them!

Criminals in Canada have all manner of weapons, pistols, rifles, shotguns, everything! Years, decades even! of "tough gun laws" haven't changed that one iota.

Manitoba's most recent murder? Beat his skull in with a baseball bat. Regulate THAT!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21843 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:12:07 PM
@MacGuffin: Nice pic of you & your army buds! I have no pics at all from my (very brief!) Armed Forces career... or of my FNC1A1...

However: Any 303 or 308 caliber round will do MORE damage at longer range than a .223, correct?
One can just as easily buy a .45 caliber pistol and kill lots of people with that too.

Big rounds? Small rounds? Which are more dangerous? HECK! In Canada my air rifle is a registered weapon! I'm not kidding.



.177 killing machine!

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Thursday, January 03, 2013 4:05:46 PM
@5cats
"Who are YOU to tell other what they ARE or ARE NOT "allowed" to own? "
Ok, let me own a full automatic then. Or a rocket launcher. Or a tank. Or a nuclear bomb. Where will you draw the line and why?

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