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Let's Take A Look At REAL Crime Stats, Thank You

Hits: 9367 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Pooptart19
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DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2653 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:21:13 PM
@klaxor, can property not correlate to happiness?
If not, then why is there such a thing as "shopping therapy", where people buy stuff to make themselves feel better?
It's not an end all solution, but it still exists.

If I work for something and earn it, is it not worth protecting?

klaxor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 647 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:12:54 PM
@HumanAction - "It is the American way."

It's Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Jefferson made a choice to take out Property.

I am personally more preoccupied with the guy who was shot than the guy who lost his tv. And if the choice is between loosing a few dollars, a couple of hours of "my life", and my entire life, then I choose the dollars. Similar decisions are made every day, from medication, to transport, down to smoking.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24908 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:05:08 PM
and lowering poverty

@lariloo: I know! Lets raise taxes! That'll lower poverty for sure!
And spend more money on "free stuff"! That'll encourage people to get jobs!

When a person makes MORE MONEY on welfare than working full time? Why on earth would they get a job? In Philidalphia (iirc) a single Mom (of 1) needs to earn 60K to break over the welfare income... any single mother earning "only" 40K is FAR better off on welfare.

Banning guns does.... ZERO! No lowering of crime numbers, OR deaths. Look at Chicago and tell me again how "tough gun laws" lower crime...

Sorry to pick on you, there's several IABers who this applies to. @piperfawn for example...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24908 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:56:24 AM
The "war on drugs" is exactly like Prohibition in the 20's and 30's.
Illegal booze fueled the "Gangsters" like Al Capone (and 100 others) who then caused huge amounts of crime.

Illegal Drugs fuel the "Mexican Cartels" (and 100 other gangs like bikers and the Mafia) which in turn CAUSE huge amounts of crime!

Legalize the drugs? Just like Prohibition the problem solves itself in a couple of years.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:50:25 AM

HA
"you had a laptop 20 years ago??"

Yes, there really was technology "way back then".
We even had mobile phones and color TV !

POWERBOOK - the laptop of 1993



HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:45:18 AM
I got mugged by a group of kids in Birmingham 20 years ago, took my laptop.

I think the more important question is: you had a laptop 20 years ago??

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:39:42 AM
"Is there an "acceptable" percentage? Let's say someone does something to permanently reduce your lifespan by 30 days. Is this acceptable? If not, why then is it acceptable to steal? "

Hmm.. taking this to its limits.. amount of life lost on here, fancy I'd be careful if I were you!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:39:29 AM

I'm really enjoying this.
Whenever the statistics don't agree with you, then the statistics are wrong!
LOLOLOL
This applies to both sides, pro-gun and pro-gun control.



Here's me mixing in now,
If crime is high you need a gun to protect yourself.
If crime is low, then you have no excuse to take my gun away.
so....STFU!

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:33:59 AM
logic would suggest that there would be a deterrant amongst petty crime, but it would also suggest that there would be a step-up in serious crime

As I hinted before, I agree with this. I believe that having a higher percentage of firearm saturation positively correlates with homicides rates in the US. However, they also negatively correlate with the far more common crimes of burglary, larceny, robbery, etc.

What percentage of your lifes earnings do you carry on you?

Is there an "acceptable" percentage? Let's say someone does something to permanently reduce your lifespan by 30 days. Is this acceptable? If not, why then is it acceptable to steal?

If I'd had a gun I could have shot them in the back instead.

At which point they would have learned a very valuable lesson.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:23:06 AM
"supported as being true"

Interesting.. yes these are really the responses somebody sent back. Doesn't guarantee they are of any worth whatsoever.

I wasn't denying that their might be a correlation by the way - logic would suggest that there would be a deterrant amongst petty crime, but it would also suggest that there would be a step-up in serious crime. Bad guys wouldn't just pull a gun on someone - they'd shoot them - rather than getting in a firefight.

As for stealing your life. How much are they going to get? What percentage of your lifes earnings do you carry on you?

I got mugged by a group of kids in Birmingham 20 years ago, took my laptop. If I'd had a gun I could have shot them in the back instead.

fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1938 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:14:32 AM
Jesus, this douche is annoying

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:42:34 AM
A burglar might be breaking in, to steal weapons, for example.

Perhaps; however, if we look at the statistics I've presented and are widely available (not to mention supported as being true by several respected studies), then we find an opposing correlation. England and Wales (since we so strongly desire international comparisons) have nearly twice the rate of burglaries and robberies. Yet, they have far fewer firearms per capita.

Therefore, your suggestion is not supported by the evidence.

however I am surprised that you are willing to sacrifice lives for property.

It is the American way. We have the right to defend ourselves and our property. What is a material possession but a piece of your life? Surely you work, earn an income, and spend your money. Therefore, isn't a thief stealing part of your life?

Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:34:53 AM
Ugh. I hate that IAB has gotten so political. Can't we all just appreciate funny boobs and not post gun-lobby videos?

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:33:41 AM
"Guns dissuade attackers; this is an infallible point.."

Er.. no. A gun could be a desirable object that actually caused the attack. A burglar might be breaking in, to steal weapons, for example.

"If you are attacking someone and they pull a gun on you, you will stop your attack."

If someone pulls a gun on me they better shoot me before I put their throat through the back of their neck :) Violent English Yob that I am.

I have heard anecdotes that the streets of Belfast were safer from petty crime during the height of the troubles. More likely to get blown up, but less likely to have your pocket picked. There may well be a correlation, however I am surprised that you are willing to sacrifice lives for property.

Perhaps its the perception that it will always be someone else's life?

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:30:29 AM
what he fails to mention is that in the UK, verbal attacks are regarded as violent.

I'm also willing to bet this guy doesn't NEED glasses, he came off very hipsterish

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:28:00 AM
@AntEconomist I refer you to this former post where ample links and information went into explaining why the UK has the highest violent crime rate, because of the way it's reported. And ignore McGuffin she doesn't know what she's talking bout half the time. Examples we include Affray as a violent crime....

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:23:36 AM
As for the video.. didn't get past the second "darta". Just as well I can't have a gun. I'd shoot every f*cker that pronounced day-ta like that. Stone, cold, dead.

I mean.. where do you store your darta? In a dartabars?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:17:07 AM
The only reliable stat for comparison purposes is the key one that *is* comparable and unlikely to be mis-reported upon from official sources - homicide rate.

Well of course it is - because it is one of the very few stats that lends itself to your argument. Seriously, you suggest that we must dismiss all other statistics (even though every reliable source concurs with the one I've provided) and that we must only use one of the very few taht support your argument.

Does this seem reasonable?

Have you considered the possibility that, just as it makes sense for us to have a higher homicide rate, it also makes sense for us to have a lower total violent crime rate?

Guns dissuade attackers; this is an infallible point. If you are attacking someone and they pull a gun on you, you will stop your attack. Guns are also inherently more lethal - thus higher homicide rates.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:09:59 AM
Nope.. sorry still don't buy it.. HA's link is just an un-official low volume survey, so its far, far, from a definitive source of truth and is subject to all sorts of vagaries, at best its an indicator of peoples *perception* of crime, amongst those that received the survey, and those that bothered to respond.

The only reliable stat for comparison purposes is the key one that *is* comparable and unlikely to be mis-reported upon from official sources - homicide rate.

USA has a much higher homicide rate than the UK, end of story. Even if its true that we have more break-ins (and I do not accept the Dutch report as evidence of that) I would still rather have more break-ins and less homicides.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3887 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:00:19 AM
JuggaloReign i am not from England,in my country for example there are also restrictions about knives,you can't buy all the kind of side arms if you don't have a licence.

JuggaloReign
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 55 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:52:59 AM
@piperfawn If gun control really worked, then why did you have to ban knives after you banned guns? Was it because criminals just started stabbing people instead of shooting them? And didn't your crime rate go up across the board? Just food for thought.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:34:11 AM
The quote below is from Wikipedia. The same thing applies to England. A direct comparison of violent crime totals between the two countries does not work because the classifications are different. You need a report like the one HA linked to get a true comparison.

"The reported US violent crime rate includes only Aggravated Assault, whereas the Canadian violent crime rate includes all categories of assault, including the much-more-numerous Assault level 1 (i.e., assault not using a weapon and not resulting in serious bodily harm). A government study concluded that direct comparison of the 2 countries' violent crime totals or rates was "inappropriate"."

AntEconomist
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 255 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:31:02 AM
Thanks markust!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:28:44 AM

@ HumanAction - Thank you for those stats.
USA! is Number One!!!! {in sex crimes} But still #1

U-S-A-! U-S-A-! U-S-A-! U-S-A-! U-S-A-!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:24:26 AM
Thanks for the link @HumanAction. That is what I have been looking for.

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