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Concealed Carry Permit Holders Vs Real Life

Hits: 10802 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: Misc. | Added by: kitteh9lives
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OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13370 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:29:07 PM
This is totally bogus.

First, these were untrained and inexperienced subjects who were not CCW permit holders.

Second, the shooter probably knew which student had the gun, or he at least knew that he would be facing only one gun held by someone who didn't know how to use it. In real life, a shooter has no idea how many guns he will be facing or who has them (unless, of course, he's in a gun-free zone where he knows for certain he will NOT be facing an armed response, and where, by the way, every goddamned one these mass shootings have taken place).

Third, these quick-draw scenarios happen very rarely. More often, the shooting starts some distance away, and you have much more time to respond.

Finally, are they actually saying you would have had a BETTER chance of surviving if you were unarmed? How do you do that, just try to swim to the bottom of the barrel?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4956 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:37:32 PM
DingDingDong

"Let's see how a police officer would have reacted."

Here is how some reacted:
http://tinyurl.com/9c37fxr

9 bystanders shot.

Guns for everyone!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:23:57 PM
Curbing gun violence is not a partisan issue. Those on both sides that are making it so are assh*les. We need to look at all ideas and come up with the best solution. You can not do that by only looking at one side.

Neyro
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 148 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:05:19 PM
Wasn't the case here that these people did not actually hold CCWs and had 0 training beforehand?

Sounds pretty biased to me.

SephirothA83
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 962 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:40:28 PM
I'm not sure why you're even trying to convince the pro-gun advocates on this site otherwise. They're pretty delusional thinking a CCW will solve everything and be the end all for the issue.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10224 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:32:08 PM
Seems to me the media really has been going gun crazy lately. A lot of stories that would normally be reserved to local news outlets are being reported by the national media.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:24:01 PM
If this woman did not have her gun what would have happened to her and her baby? If the police did not get there in time to save the robber from the woman, would they have been able to save her if she did not have a gun?

Woman protects herself and baby from robbers entering her home

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1503 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:13:16 PM
Biased reporting much?!?
I'll have to stop wearing my baggy white t-shirts now.
How about a control test? Let's see how a police officer would have reacted. Especially the test with two gunmen. This is dumb and one-sided.

ajd121
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 588 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:11:03 PM
"If you watch, the shooter that enters the classroom goes almost immediately for the person with a concealed weapon. The shooter has foreknowledge of the weapon holders location. Let's have 2-5 weapon carriers in random spots, then see how the shooter fares. "


Not to mention the shooter in the clip is also a trained police officer.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3609 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:53:46 PM
Nice, another pointless "news report" that can easily be discredited. They take a few average Joe's off the street with little to no training (100 hrs handling a gun is not what I'd call experience) to see how they'll react in an adrenaline fueled fight-or-flight situation. Those who are properly trained to handle situations like this (especially military/police) are able to override the natural reaction most have which is to either flee, hide, or just freeze up, and know how to keep their cool under fire. This "test" proves nothing except the fact that the media is clearly anti-gun and trying to make their viewers anti-gun as well.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16859 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:53:11 PM
So, the firearms instructor, who taught these people, knows who is armed and knows exactly who to shoot first. Not even a trained cop could react that fast.

Btw, they gave them those thumb lock holsters, which are notoriously hard to manipulate for beginners. Then made him wear gloves, which makes drawing the Glock even harder, and on top of that it's stuffed under his shirt.

Sorry, but these are bullsh|t 'tests'. Pitting trained cops with thousands of hours of practice vs. rookies is no contest.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:49:38 PM
What do you do when some punk splits your head open with a baseball bat?

One old man with a pistol bests three teenage robbers


MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:36:54 PM
Here's some more:
Homeowner shoots armed home invaders

65 year old woman stops jewlrey store robbery

Good guy 1, Bad guy 0, CCW in action unedited

Customer Pulls Gun, Stops Bank Robber

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4317 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:13:20 PM
FoolsPrussia-"that failed to stop the event."

And yet,

we can offer many instances

where a gun DID stop the event.

MrPeabody
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1795 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:08:43 PM
Instead of a BS news story, why not post real videos of CCW carriers in real situations?

For example:
71 yearl old man stops robbery

Conceled carry kills robber

Pizza guy pulls gun on robber

Holdup victim kills robber

MY shopkeeper who shot 4 armed robbers speaks out

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:00:12 PM
I think it's important to note that there were people carrying guns in both the Columbine and Tucson mass shootings that failed to stop the event. There was a sheriff's officer at Columbine who exchanged fire with the shooters, and missed every time, and there was a citizen with a gun in Tucson who couldn't get a clean shot off, due to the possibility of hitting someone else.

Brometheus
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 357 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:59:32 PM
It's a good thing most people doing go out wearing large, awkward head gear and unnecessarily baggy shirts in the real world.

Enjin
Male, 30-39, Asia
 790 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:56:18 PM
If a random shooter with extensive training decides to target you almost immediately then your concealed weapon won't be very useful. This doesn't seem like a very scientific test though. Might be more interesting if the shooter didn't know there was an armed person inside and if both people had the same amount of training.

honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1570 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:44:05 PM
@Rubins that's exactly what I was thinking. How can this be considered viable when the "attacker" goes straight for the person he knows has a gun.

Bremir
Male, 18-29, Europe
 393 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:29:34 PM
RubinRybnik - Not really. The video clearly showed their shooter firing at the teacher first, then often working their way from the teachers right around where the holder was. It's blatantly obvious just watching the video, so don't try to make things up.

But of course you'd try to debunk this video, wouldn't you? Everyone else in the world knows how moronic it is that Americans have such easy access to guns, and they can see from this video alone that these people are useless.

Lets be honest, even if they did have more holders in the room, they'd still suck. Everyone in the first video was horrible so what makes you think they'd be any better if they were all in a room together? Come on, man.

RubinRybnik
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 11 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:55:15 PM
If you watch, the shooter that enters the classroom goes almost immediately for the person with a concealed weapon. The shooter has foreknowledge of the weapon holders location. Let's have 2-5 weapon carriers in random spots, then see how the shooter fares.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1189 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:51:32 PM
So all the opponents of concealed carry say it will increase gun violence. In all cases where it has been allowed having been banned, gun violence goes down.

Who is living in dream worlds, and who in real life?

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2029 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:49:12 PM
If one wants to carry a concealed weapon with the idea of being prepared for random events, then you must prepare for random events. Strapping a gun on with little or no training in drawing, handling and firing in simulated scenarios is useless; That's why cops train extensively.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:39:31 PM
This is the video I tried to link to a week ago.

kitteh9lives
Female, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 1396 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:20:59 PM
Link: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Vs Real Life [Rate Link] - Some are put to the test. Do they live in a dream world?

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