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Concealed Carry Permit Holders Vs Real Life

Hits: 10812 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: Misc. | Added by: kitteh9lives
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SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 8:28:30 AM
Australia. That is all.

Ozmose
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 441 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 8:27:49 AM
This is kind of an idiotic test
I have my CCW, and I train constantly. That's something every person who has one should be required to do. I honestly think it should be mandatory that we go down and requalify on a regular basis to keep the permit. When I took my class, 90% of the people there were senior citizens who could barely hold the gun up, let alone hit the target that was a whopping 8 feet in front of them. One idiotic old man accidentally fired a round into the ground a few feet in front of me. He passed!
It takes years of practice to be skilled with a handgun. The problem is everyone thinks they are, because the can hit paper from a bench rest on a quiet sunny day. Half my shooting drills are pulled straight from Military/LE handbooks.
What we need, is to raise the bar on CCW holders, not revoke them all. This video is so moronic because they took a bunch of college kids and put them in a situation they weren't prepared for. Like piloting a 747 after a 3 hour f

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3402 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 7:48:55 AM
@MeGrendel: Of course there are instances in which the gun did stop the crisis. The point is that you guys are always saying the mass murders take place in "gun free zones," which is what I was refuting.

jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 177 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 7:29:22 AM
The point of the video was that these people actually received MORE training than what is required for the average concealed carry permit. I see a lot of you missed that.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 7:04:45 AM
Hmm, I'm not totally happy with the test either, and I'll concede that the pro CCW camp makes some good points. However, the biggest problem I see with more people carrying pistols has nothing to do with any of this, It's the fact that EVERYONE has their breaking point. How many of these people carrying weapons to 'protect' will BECOME the shooter? road rage, domestic/neighbourhood disputes, just the amount of arseholes out there are going to exacerbate the number of outbursts that happen every day that end up with someone losing it and shooting someone. If you get into an argument for example, that becomes a fistfight, that you start to lose, and you're carrying a pistol on your hip,aren't you more likely to use it and turn that situation worse? instead of escaping with a bruised eye or swollen lip, someone is now dead. I just can't see how shootings are going to LESSEN with MORE guns being carried by citizens.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 6:15:22 AM
@markust123

That gaurd bought people time and most definatly saved lives. He also helped response time by working with SWAT giving them info on what was happening. Not really making a good case against armed police in schools. Want another look up the Pearl High School shooting. Never heard of it? That's cause an armed teacher stopped it and the media couldn't continually shove it down your throat.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 6:14:35 AM
Wow, you lefties are a desperate lot.

Reproman
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 15 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 6:14:29 AM
Blatant media bias is blatant.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 6:06:19 AM
This test is very inaccurate and was probably setup to be.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4853 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 6:03:20 AM
If your aim is to 'prove' that concealed carry is useless, you can bias the 'experiment' so that you will get that result.

In the same manner, had their aim been to 'prove' that concealed carry was the way to go, they could have biased the 'experiment' to where the carrier would have been successful every time.

This, in no way, represents 'Real Life'.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6273 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 4:58:11 AM
Don't let them take away your right to slay someone just because they P you off.

morimacil123
Male, 18-29, Europe
 171 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 4:45:41 AM
I wouldnt be able to get the gun out of the holster and/or shoot it.
But tunnelvision when stressed? I have more training in avoiding tunnelvision than police officers.
Even when under stress, you need to keep up your peripheral vision up, because if you stop looking at the minimap even for a couple of seconds, you are most likely gonna die!
Avoid tunnelvision, KEEP LOOKING AT THE MINIMAP!

fatlenny
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 9 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 4:25:39 AM
if they want find if arming people will save lives?arm everyone in the class and see how many lives would have been saved. not just one person.

tsiemens
Male, 30-39, Canada
 508 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 3:13:50 AM
americans! Don't let the gov't take away your second amendment over a few insane people!

BBJellyFish
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 538 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 2:11:00 AM
This is complete propaganda b/s

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 1:47:36 AM
"Sorry, but these are bullsh|t 'tests'. Pitting trained cops with thousands of hours of practice vs. rookies is no contest"

And pitting an untrained armed civilian against experienced armed criminals makes sense? Your argument works both ways dear boy.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 1:29:26 AM
Self defence doesn't start with a gun or combat training. It does start with learning to read situations and have greater awareness of your surroundings so that conflict situations can be avoided or defused before any one gets seriously hurt. This should be the basis of all self defence training. Guns rarely help and more often than not escalate a situation quickly leading to fatalities that could be avoided. The argument for gun ownership in self defence without proper training is madness.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1222 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 1:22:11 AM
Every humanbeing on earth should be antigun. That's the only way to solve this. On a surprise attack, CCW is useless. On an attack that you know is coming: why are you still there?

CCW is stupid as an idea, it's downright dangerous. And trying to say that these people are more protected when they do have guns: in that off chance you need to use them to defend yourself: yes they are very very helpful. Not when you're BBQing with you're non-nice individual neighbours and you all have guns and start a drunken quarrel about that tree over there, it's clearly on my yard!

Everybody having guns = smallest disagreements, road rage, you name it and way way more dead that what few deranged gunmen have done.. How many mass shootings vs how many unnecessary deaths do we get? How many murders US has per year that involves guns? Is that in anyway proportioned against other civilized western country? How can you be so stupid?

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Friday, December 28, 2012 12:49:30 AM
I like reading the youtube posts, wow that's pretty low rated!

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:43:35 PM
"In real life, a shooter has no idea how many guns he will be facing or who has them (unless, of course, he's in a gun-free zone where he knows for certain he will NOT be facing an armed response, and where, by the way, every goddamned one these mass shootings have taken place)."

You've had BS called on you many times on this. Now you are just blatantly lying. There was an armed sheriff's deputy assigned to Columbine who was on site the day of their shooting. He got into a fire fight with Harris after two students were killed. It did no good. Harris went back in the school and helped kill eleven more people. Having an armed sheriff's deputy did nothing to stop that horrible massacre. This was not a gun free zone. This officer frequently walked around armed inside the school. You're a liar and a partisan tool.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:32:23 PM
Here is how some reacted:


This article doesn't really present a compelling case against gun ownership. But it does demonstrate that humans, above all else, screw up. So, either the cops screwed up or they followed protocol in which case the protocol must be changed.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12741 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:13:18 PM
PEW PEW! Everybody dies.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:13:09 PM
and if you disagree.. you really are delusional :)

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:11:48 PM
"Sorry, but these are bullsh|t 'tests'. Pitting trained cops with thousands of hours of practice vs. rookies is no contest."

Biased or not, isn't this an important point?

Trained professionals >> random citizens.

Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1462 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:27 PM
So having a gun deters crime; however, using that gun is a death sentence for some instead of maybe ten years they would get. So then it comes down to the responsibility of the gun owner to not be an asshat because we "want" criminals rehabilitated.

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