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Man Who Shot 4 Firefighters Leaves Suicide Note

Hits: 10751 | Rating: (1.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:01:49 AM
@MacGuffin

Oh the ones you bombed too. Nice try thunderkunt!

@Finker

Actual evidence says otherwise. Ex: Vietnam, Cuba, Afghanistan... it's a pretty long list.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:57:27 AM
@TruTenrMan, thanks - clear on that bit now

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:56:25 AM
@McGovern1981, the American Revolution was a while ago - the nature of warfare has changed(& that is I think what is being talked about). Not conviced it is the possession of guns that would swing it these days.

RuralNinja
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 521 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:55:45 AM
Another day, another gun post by fancy. Nothing to see here.

MacGuffin
Female, 30-39, Europe
 2597 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:43:23 AM
FWIW, I'm all for you Americans having all the guns you want. I'd much rather you spent your free time shooting one another than bombing poor countries.

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:23:21 AM
@Finker, no, I said, "The local militias were originally set up to settle disputes between states." I was merely stating why the original militias were set up. Yes, the national government took over settling disputes between states, but it did not disband all states' militias.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:22:13 AM
@Finker

Irony the same was said about the American Revolution.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:20:22 AM
@deputy

People said the same thing when the American revolution was fought and they ended up winning. Besides if it came down to something like that you don't think the military would wind up getting divided between sides? Also Vietnam and many other wars prove your thoughts about an armed population wrong. The UK learns nothing from it's mistakes. BTW a hunting gun is a sniping gun people who know nothing about guns shouldn't try to make laws for them.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:20:06 AM
@TruTenrMan - are you saying the right to carry arms is still for disputes between states? Might be my misunderstanding of role of national government over there but wouldn't they step in before there were two sets of opposing militia fighting on the borders between states?

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:17:10 AM
@TruTenrMan & McGovern1981 - I get the theory but government controls the really big guns so not convinced it would be any more effective than people fighting the government with sticks. Surely a mass uprising without guns is likely to be more effective as they have less excuse to shoot people - that actually plays into the hands of a corrupt government unless the people have a similar military power.

deputy
Male, 40-49, Europe
 353 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:04:45 AM
addition to previous:

I am not saying guns in america should be completely outlawed, but the reasons that a lot of people use to justify the ownership of guns are just insane.
If it is for self defense, a normal pistol with a limited amount of rounds would be sufficient. Jus allow people a hand gun or hunting gun that can be used for self defense, and limit the amount of ammo, and make the punishment for breaking those laws big.
This allows people to self defend and prevents a lot of problems with mass shootings and sniper attacks.

deputy
Male, 40-49, Europe
 353 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:58:44 AM
@mcgovern "Also giving the added benafit of if ever invaded practically everyother house would be fighting back."
This is so lolworthy. Get real. An invasion would not only be done with hand weapons. My guess is there would be tanks and planes and other guided weapons involved. That is also why I think the militia idea is insane. I men, fighting your government is a real idea, but as long as the army is supporting your government you won't stand a chance in the real world.

dbss
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 32 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:35:40 AM
Jinx, don't look at gun crime when guns are outlawed. Look at crime as a whole. Is there more violent crime? No guns equals less gun crime, but other crimes tend to skyrocket due to the fact that criminals know their victims are handicapped when it comes to defending themselves. This is why you don't see mass shootings at gun ranges, NRA meetings, police stations, and other places where people are allowed to carry. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country, yet the worst gun violence. Go figure. People aren't allowed to carry in the streets, assault weapons are banned, no high capacity magazines, and rifles and shotguns have restrictions. Drugs are banned in this country, and we have high times magazines, and movies that celebrate it. Bans don't work, seems like they only encourage the behavior.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:33:08 AM
Also notice The peoples republic of California has the strictest gun laws in the US. They also have Oakland one of the most violent cities in the US amongst others.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:28:01 AM
Also giving the added benafit of if ever invaded practically everyother house would be fighting back.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:20:18 AM
@Finker

What TruTenrMan it's a government power abuse check. They wrote it for a good reason it was exactly what they fought the revolution over.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:12:49 AM
@jinxjinx34

At the same time, New Hampshire, with very weak gun laws, has a homicide rate of 0.8/100k and Vermont has a rate of 1.1/100k. Clearly there must be another issue at hand - whether it is population density, big city prevalence, etc.

There are a variety of different laws in place in "strict" states that differentiate them from "loose" states. Typically, the differences fall to registrations, permits, record retention, and concealed carry laws (shall issue vs. may issure vs. no concealed carry).

However, there are quite a few different ways states have attempted to curb gun violence. This site goes into much more detail on the subject that I can hope to: Brady Campaign

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:02:47 AM
@Finker, yes, it does. The local militias were originally set up to settle disputes between states. Also, God-forbid our government becoming tyrannical, rising up against said "authorities" with advanced weaponry can only be done by having access to the same technology.

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:01:55 AM
We can fill prisons with Joe average smoking pot, but THIS guy gets paroled?



^^^^
This.

The real crime here isn't even being discussed.

Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
 506 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:45:55 AM
McGovern1981, does this still really stand up given advances in weapons the authorities have access to, it doesn't really sound like it still serves the purpose it was meant to?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:39:00 AM
@LillianDulci

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of THE PEOPLE <--(see that part) to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[

patticakes
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 459 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:27:57 AM
That crack about the NRA shows you don't understand a thing. The issue to revisit is mental health and protecting society at large from people who are unstable. We need to reopen the asylums we closed in the 1980s.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:14:36 AM
A big difference with the reporting of this guy and other killers is that its hard to imagine it being glamourising. He shot unarmed heroes and then ran away as soon as people with guns turned up, then shot himself rather than be caught.

The perception is of a cowardly monster rather than a lone gunman surely. (Ignoring the obvious mental health aspect).

As for frying him.. I think a humane execution when he first murdered his grandmother would have been better all round, as a calculated solution rather than a painful punishment.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:02:28 AM
@cynical gamer.. there you go again, mashing up statistics, you can't compare something as broad as 'violent crimes' even if the figures you state are genuine (which I doubt) as the definition of violent crimes and the rate of reportage is going to differ across countries and states.

Stick to a more comparable measure - murder.

Still not a level playing field, but a much truer picture

How does the UK come out now? Not well for europe, but miles ahead of the US. The truth about South Africa as a violent place becomes a bit clearer. No-one bothers reporting a little fisty cuffs in Saffer.. just not worth it.

synaw
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 58 Posts
Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:26:32 PM
@TheeAJ123
that would be our prison system, who is to blame. for instance in countries like Norway, their prison system focuses on rehabilitation as opposed to capital punishment and solitary confinement. Norway's repeat offender rate is at 20%, the US is around 50-60%.

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