 HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1155 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:46:57 AM
thanks for screwing up the war and helping the russians instead of letting germany take them...how did that work out for you??
So far so good. We don't speak Russian or German. The Cold War is over. Neither Russia nor Germany are the aggressors they once were.
So yea, I'd say it turned out pretty well.
Perhaps we have some confusion over the terms "success" and "win"? See, I consider one to be successful when they achieve the goal set out to achieve. What is your definition? |
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 pompousass7
Male, 40-49, Canada
261 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:41:55 AM
mcgovern..the u.s. brings allies and then tries to pretend they did it all themselves..or more often..lets the allies do all of the work and then comes in at the end to pretend they did all the work.
human..forgot to tell you..thanks for screwing up the war and helping the russians instead of letting germany take them...how did that work out for you?? oh..i guess fine as your whole country is propped up on war and arms sales...just such a shame when your own troops are killed by your own weapons sold by the greed of a prior republican government |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:40:33 AM
@McGovern1981
Haha - this guy is out there...
@pompousass7
OK; let's pick through your mess and contradict the points you've made, shall we?
that britain was fighting your allies in other places in the world
So, despite the fact that the Britain conceded everything that was being fought for by the US, we should throw this in the "L" category?
the war of 1812
So, despite the fact the Britain failed at reclaiming US territory, we should mark this one an "L" too... because some buildings were burned down. I guess we owned Vietnam in that case.
mexican war...despite all of your casualties
US Casualties: 13,283
Mexican Casualties: 16,000 and the Mexican Cession...
F*ck it - "L" column.
you say you won WW2...did you really
Yes...
Oh - and the Persian Gulf War ended on February 28th, 1991.
*facepalm |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:38:52 AM
None of what you said made any sense whatsoever.
Revolution the US exsists so = WIN.
1812 we still exsist and ports were no longer blockaded along with Britian never trying to get US back = WIN.
Mexican American War we got alot of their land = WIN (not even sure how the f**k that has something to do with jobs heading there now grasping at straws much)
It goes on and on you're insane! |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:32:24 AM
VV THIS GUY! VV |
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pompousass7
Male, 40-49, Canada
261 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:26:04 AM
omg human..you are so screwed up..i already explained how you did not win the war of independance..that britain was fighting your allies in other places in the world. the war of 1812...don't you remeber the white house and capital building being burnt down?? you didn't make it an inch forward after that war. not even sure why i would continue explaining to a guy that thinks you won that war??? mexican war...despite all of your casualties, you may think you won, but then again where are all of your jobs heading...like japan when you say you won WW2...did you really...look at your economy...persian gulf...you still haven't won..never will. sorry..i am getting bored....anyone outside of american propaganda want to weigh in on this??? |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:16:41 AM
@jinx
OK - here is where I get weird (fair warning)... If the states were to enact such restrictions and regulations, I would accept that. Since I believe in a republican system, I consider the states to have that authority; I do not consider the federal government to have the authority to do so.
However, I would not agree with it on a moral level. I actually do believe that any law-abiding citizen should have the right to purchase and/or own a firearm; to me, this is liberty.
In my mind, your suggestion is akin to a big group tramping all over the little guy. We would be sacrificing the rights of individuals (to bear arms) in order to protect the group from something that may or may not happen.
Of course, we could all be making a huge mistake:
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:07:22 AM
@pompousass7
I really think you are missing my point here. I am saying that China could not wage a war against the US. Yes, they have 1.5 billion people - that they could never hope to send to the US mainland.
If a war occurred, it would need to be fought in China. Therefore, China could never truely defeat the US military globally as they do not have that capacity. The same cannot be said of the US.
As for wars the US won:
Revolutionary
War of 1812
War with Mexico
Civil War (does this count?)
Spanish-American War
Phillipine-American War
WWI
WWII
Korean War
Persian Gulf War
... to name a few.
Now, if you are going to suggest that some don't count because the US recieved supply aid, then you cannot suggest that anyone but the US won WWII. Russia was the biggest recipient of US arms and raw materials. Without them, Russia would not have been successful. |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 8:04:26 AM
@Finker
Alot more than brits were living here during that time. As for the ones that were I'd say when they declared their independence and fought against Britain they were no longer British.
@pompousass7
So when the US brings allies the it dosen't count. You've just negated most of what the world considers victors then and for some reason left out the Mexican American war hoiw convienent. You're a buffoon and I'm willing to bet a Frenchie.
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 jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
134 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 7:52:35 AM
@HumanAction- I have a difficult time myself asking for further restrictions placed on us as U.S. citizens. I am NOT a Lefty or a Liberal lol. It seems to me that we have 3 choices in the matter. We can leave the situation alone and let the violence continue. We can ban guns. Or, we can take a critical look at the shortcomings in the current system and modify it appropriately. Again, I think we agree that guns are only a part of the problem, but reducing the numbers and availability would provide the fastest impact while we tackle the other social issues contributing to this dilemma. Making it more difficult for someone to own a firearm is exactly what should be done. Do you honestly believe that mandating some training and education could be a bad thing? Or do you really believe any idiot should be able to walk into a store and purchase a pistol? Getting firearms is too easy, that is why so many end up in the hands of criminals. They are not respected. |
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 Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
480 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 7:51:14 AM
@McGovern1981 "Never knew we were still a British colony"
Wasn't it mainly ex brits that won that war though? Either that or a strange choice of language you use.
(I am not entirely serious but interesting point) |
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pompousass7
Male, 40-49, Canada
261 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 7:37:41 AM
mcgovern..again you guys have no idea of your history
france ( who ironically you guys hate now) the dutch and spain bailed you guys out with weapons, supplies etc...so i state again...you did not win that war on your own either...your allies did...as usual...try again mcgovern |
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pompousass7
Male, 40-49, Canada
261 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 7:31:11 AM
humanaction conspiracy theorists are in the u.s. outside of your jaded media; the rest of the world see the facts as they are. now if you think 11 air craft carriers are going to defeat 1.5 billion people you are sadly mistaken..you cannot even defeat 1000 guys in caves..any war would come down to nukes which statistically 1.5 billion people would have more survivors than 325 million.
as for showing you the wars the u,s, has won in their heads but not i reality..it may be quicker for you to list the ones you think you won..like WW2 etc and for me explain how at best you come in at the end to try and take the glory and split the land...check something like the battle of kapyong as an example of where you history books will say you won the battle..when really you just came in to hold the position and relieve the real victors |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 7:21:30 AM
when really you have never won a war in history when you look at it
ROFL!!!! Never knew we were still a British colony oh Texas is still part of Mexico LOL! I could do this all day!! You certainly are an ass! |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 6:58:19 AM
@pompousass7
So, you're one of those conspiracy theorists aren't you?
Do you know what force projection is? It is the capacity to project your forces overseas; relative to the US, China lacks this. Consider the holy grail of force projection - aircraft carriers. The US has 11; China has 1.
The point in all of this is that China would not be able to wage a war with the US because they cannot sufficiently assault the US mainland. If a war were to occur, it would take place in China.
As for wars that the US never won, I'm not sure how you've managed to come to that conclusion. can you explain further with specific details? |
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pompousass7
Male, 40-49, Canada
261 Posts
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Friday, December 28, 2012 6:42:11 AM
human action....china already has a force living in your country as do the muslims...the comment was made to show how arrogant some americans are that they are the ultimate force in the world when really you have never won a war in history when you look at it. You would never have a chance of taking out china when they can reproduce more quickly than you could kill them |
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HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1155 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:56:39 PM
@pompousass7
humanaction...try picking a war with china then
Uh... why? They don't even have the force projection capability to land a significant force on the US mainland. I'm not 100% sure what you are getting at...
@jinxjinx34
I agree that something needs to be done for the sake of unity within the country. As of right now, we continue to find ourselves being pulled into increasingly polarized divisions and I don't see it ending well.
Now, I agree that introducing new restrictions on firearms will likely reduce the homicide rates (though I personally believe it will lead to an increase of total crime). However, I'm a pretty strict libertarian when it comes to individual rights. I do not believe it to be fair to punish an individual (make it difficult to obtain a firearm) for something they may or may not do with it. Of course, now I've gotten to philosophy. |
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jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
134 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:40:02 PM
@McGovern1981- Have you even bothered to read my comments? To compare different states and statistics in regards American gun control laws is useless. This could go on ad nauseam and the stats work for both sides of the discussion. There are just way too many variables in the interpretation of the data. This is also a hugely multifaceted issue with multiple issues that we need to address. There is one thing that is clear to me, making it easier to get guns, allowing more people to conceal or open carry, and allowing assault rifles to be privately owned, will not solve the issue. Neither will ignoring the problem and sticking with status quo. What do you propose? Maybe you can post another picture. Btw- how much tougher are the gun laws from state to state really? Merely requiring permits is not the type of reform I am talking about here so you can use your lazy excuse for an argument somewhere else. |
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Finker
Male, 40-49, Europe
480 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:28:31 PM
@johnkelley, just because people sometimes use murder to kill people I guess we should allow that too? |
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 mamba
Male, 18-29, Europe
609 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:18:20 PM
"This guy also killed his Grandma with a hammer. Maybe we should ban all hammers, right, you stupid liberal F**KS?"
Restricting rights to things isn't a liberal philosophy. Unless you're making a sarcastic point for gun control here.... |
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 dbss
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
29 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:03:57 PM
http://www.gunfacts.info/ |
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 MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:11:49 PM
Good idea Johnkelly, at least stop typing with one for drats sake! |
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 johnkelley
Male, 18-29, Southern US
59 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:54:40 PM
This guy also killed his Grandma with a hammer. Maybe we should ban all hammers, right, you stupid liberal F**KS? |
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johnkelley
Male, 18-29, Southern US
59 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:44:42 PM
This man killed his Grandma with a hammer. We should ban all hammers now, right, you stupid liberal F**KS? |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:00:48 PM
@jinx
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