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Which Sign Will Prevent Another Tragedy? [Pic]

Hits: 11093 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: hiltacular
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furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 577 Posts
Wednesday, December 26, 2012 11:17:58 AM
An armed school cop got into a shootout with Columbine shooter Eric Harris, both him and Klebold still went on to massacre 13 people. Less guns not more guns. Conservaturds make me sick.

furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 577 Posts
Wednesday, December 26, 2012 11:13:23 AM
Sensible national gun control will work.

deputy
Male, 40-49, Europe
 362 Posts
Sunday, December 23, 2012 1:34:41 AM
While in my country (NL) there is a very strict law regulating weapons carried by civilians, I can see that in america a complete prohibition is impossible, so why not limit things to a pistol for a person max, with a max of 6 shots. That should be enough to scare the usual criminals.
Having a semi-automatic or a sniper rifle has nothing to do with self defense, and you don't hink in reality it is a viable option to form militia to overthrow your government if you disagree, right? Not while you got a top notch army to defend the president.

Oh wait, they are mostly over the border defending the name and fame of americuuhhhhh sorry democracy.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Friday, December 21, 2012 2:54:08 PM
@McGovtroll
Who is this someone? USSR? Germany?

It sounds like you are agreeing with me though, a nutcase will do what nutcases do regardless of a sign.

Zerstiren
Male, 18-29, Western US
 28 Posts
Friday, December 21, 2012 1:49:57 PM
C.) any sign of threat will be met with deadly dogs.

This way, the dogs can be cute, cuddly companions for the kids during the day, and ferocious murder machines when the need arises.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4759 Posts
Friday, December 21, 2012 6:32:48 AM
HolyGod-"Where are you getting those numbers?"

Correction: My numbers were inaccurate, overall. I was looking at a particular tax bracket's contributions to the budget, not the overall budget..

2012 numbers are closer to yours:
Healthcare: 22%
Welfare: 12%
Education: 4%
Defense: 24%

2013 Budgeted Numbers:
Healthcare: 24%
Welfare: 11%
Education: 4%
Defense: 24%

HolyGod-"We could cut defense spending IN HALF"

While there is room for cuts, I wouldn't want to cut it in half.

ALSO, there is MUCH MORE room for cuts social programs, just by eliminating fraud and corruption.

mcmals
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 147 Posts
Friday, December 21, 2012 1:53:48 AM
Having armed weapons in school (unless it's being used by the police) is an awful idea. I understand the want for protection, but putting armed materials within reach of small children and older children is not what we need here. No matter how well you keep it out of their reach, some child will find a way to mess with that gun. Plus, teachers are not always the innocent ones. Firearms have no place in schools. Sandy Hook was a tragedy but there's no need to panic and started putting assault weapons on every corner. As the Brits say "keep calm and carry on"

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:11:40 PM
MeGrendel

"The money we spend to feed, educate, heal and 'support' takes up ~56% of all tax dollars (if youi add the Interest on our dept, it's ~66%)

National Defense takes up ~16.8%."

Where are you getting those numbers?
The data I have used in the past has 2011 federal spending at $3.6 T.
Healthcare: $858 B (24%)
Welfare: $472 B (13%)
Education: $113 B (3%)
Defense: $878 B (24%)

http://tinyurl.com/d8vnxld

We could cut defense spending IN HALF and still have more go towards defense than the next six highest spending countries COMBINED.

msieg007
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2171 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:47:24 PM
C. Neither

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:33:56 PM
easier for the staff to kill everyone

Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1462 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:03:59 PM
"It seems he found out she was trying to have him institutionalized and it appears also he lashed for reasons that included 'She loves those other kids more than me.'"

I thought it might be something like that. Why does no one say tasers or tranqs or non lethal measures. It's always need more guns!

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2655 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:38:29 PM
"Morgan is a twit, he's biased, bigoted and rude! And that's on a good day! "

well yeah and those aren't even his worst qualities, but it's nice to see that Americans are starting to find him as much as c*nt as most of the UK did before he jumped ship.

honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1570 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:23:26 PM
I am a teacher and I am trained with firearms. I honestly think that if an individual is trained and they pass some sort of "carry in school" certification that they should be part of a school police force.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13532 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:10:52 PM
Normal kids with no mental issues would clearly be detered from going to walmart and buy an automatic rifle with the purpose of shooting "random" people in their school.

However the mentally unstable kids. They will still go buy that automatic rifle to go commit suicide by rentacop.. Good stuff guys.



Now which could stop a nutcase from doing so sooner? Also "automatic rifle" shows alot of Europe has lost touch with gun knowledge and will roll over like France the next time someone trys to take over.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14796 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:56:25 PM
Here's an idea. Have both! Designate some schools as gun-free and others as having armed staff. Then let teachers decide where they want to work, and let parents decide where they want to send their kids.

Let's do this across the country and see where the next multiple-victim gun rampage takes place.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26276 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:42:23 PM
"The actual problem from my POV is they put more mentally ill in prison than hospitals."
@CodeJockey: I 100% agree with that! Because almost all the "nuthouses" were closed, prison is literally the only place to put severly crazy people. They get regular meds & structured environment, but once they're out it's off the meds and back to being insane again.

The Ugly Politics of Piers Morgan
Morgan is a twit, he's biased, bigoted and rude! And that's on a good day!

@broizfam: Israel has to deal with terrorists as well as mentally unbalanced people. They armed the schools and it's worked for them!

@Essersmith: "automatic weapons" cannot be bought at WalMart: You are confusing SEMI-auto with actual military guns (which civilians cannot get) It's already illegal to ow

krisbrown
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 161 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:22:04 PM
as far as signs go, they are both pretty sweet. i say use both signs.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 275 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:19:27 PM
I didnt dare click "more comments" and both of the signs are pretty useless in an american context.
I have been showing these signs to people around me. All voted sign A, when i told them the context all said both were pointless.

To me the clear answer is sign B. Normal kids with no mental issues would clearly be detered from going to walmart and buy an automatic rifle with the purpose of shooting "random" people in their school.

However the mentally unstable kids. They will still go buy that automatic rifle to go commit suicide by rentacop.. Good stuff guys.

InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 335 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:54:10 PM
Neither sign will make any difference at all.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3687 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:28:52 PM
CrakrJak,
USA may have had about 40 times more school shootings than Israel but also has about 40 times the population, so it ends up being about the same when you do the percentages. Also, I'm not so sure I'd be so trusting of teachers - some of them have done some pretty awful things to kids...what if they were armed? And is it really a good idea to have a loaded weapon in a classroom where the teacher's attention is often, by necessity (and our expectations!), concentrated elsewhere? This is a really tough issue since there are excellent arguments for both sides. Frankly, I'd prefer my kids to be exposed to the relatively rare instance of a psychotic with a gun than to be in a school where 50 or 100 guns are laying around with, quite likely, many of them not properly secured.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4759 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:54:39 PM
HolyGod-"WHY is it ok to spend money to kill, but not to spend money to feed, educate, and heal?"

Who says we don't? We pay MUCH more for that than we do for National Defense.

The money we spend to feed, educate, heal and 'support' takes up ~56% of all tax dollars (if youi add the Interest on our dept, it's ~66%)

National Defense takes up ~16.8%.

So, if you have two people in an elevator, and you want to reduce their combined weight, it's more effective to put who on a diet: Rosie 'Social Programs' O'Donnell or Natalie 'Defense' Portman? (hint: Rosie is a gross waste, while Natalie is both attractive and more pleasant to have around).

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:18:45 PM
Megrendel

I am a fiscal conservative. I would love to slash taxes and government spending. The reason I don't understand conservatives is to me the easiest and best place to cut spending is the defense department which spends 3 times more than is needed to adequately defend this country. Conservatives want to RAISE spending there and cut it from social programs, schools, and places that help people.

Romney wanted to ditch PBS but spend more on the military.

WHY is it ok to spend money to kill, but not to spend money to feed, educate, and heal?

I truly don't get it.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2655 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:49:00 PM
"Piers Morgan is a waddeling twat! "

5cats, we've found some common ground :D

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4759 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:22:13 PM
CodeJockey-">Is the Gov't going to take the crimials guns away? Nope! 1) They already do that here."

You mean they TRY, they're not very successful at it.

CodeJockey-">Is the Gov't going to put "crazy people" in the nuthouse againt their will? 2) They do this, too."

Not really. In reality, thanks to the looming requirements of Obamacare, many institutions are shutting down and releasing those with mental issues into the public. There have already been a few incidents around here because of it.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5262 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:12:25 PM
>Is the Gov't going to take the crimials guns away? Nope!
>Is the Gov't going to put "crazy people" in the nuthouse againt their will? Let's hope not!
>Is the Gov't going to ban violent games? Again, let's hope not.

1) They already do that here.
2) They do this, too. The actual problem from my POV is they put more mentally ill in prison than hospitals.
3) They tried: The same people that created "explicit language" stickers tried. As a result, video game composition is now covered under free speech and is self regulated by ESRB.

And it WAS a mentally unbalanced person who's parent deemed him potentially violent. She was trying to have him committed and he was known to have severe attachment issues as well as other tendencies.
It seems he found out she was trying to have him institutionalized and it appears also he lashed for reasons that included "She loves those other kids more than me."

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