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Child Circumcision - Harmful Or Beneficial?

Hits: 6474 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: kitteh9lives
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Caretta
Male, 18-29, Europe
 541 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:51:52 PM
I remember the day I was circumcised. Not everything...but bits of it.
I was old enough to walk, somewhere between 2.5 to 5 years old. I remember standing in the hospital at some point after the procedure, with a towel wrapped around me.

The pain was intense - until the towel touched me - at which point it felt as if my skin were burning, it was utterly excrutiating.
I remember each bath I took while I healed.
Submerging in water brought the same pain.
I don't have any related medical problems now, but I wonder what I'm missing and how it changed me.
It was not my parents' right to choose.
I don't talk to them about this.
Or very much in general.

InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 335 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:34:22 PM
No, no, I have been mis-quoted. I repeat - THAT IS SERIOUSLY F..U..C..K..E..D UP.

InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 335 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:33:25 PM
That is seriously drat3d up. No anesthetic?

jabman23
Male, 18-29, Canada
 15 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:23:12 PM
I'm going to go pet my penis and be thankful that I wasn't circumcised, and go hug my parents.

Probably not in that order.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11009 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:40:18 PM
@Angilion- you should be careful who you call a liar mate.


Why, are you going to hunt me down and mutilate me?

Very few of the pathetic internet thugs are deranged enough and possess the resources to carry out on their threats.

I didn't even call you a liar. If you're not able to read English well enough to understand what the word "if" means, that's your problem.

So...are you advocating genital mutilation only when it is medically advisable or are you advocating genital mutiliation for all male people or are you advocating genital mutilation for everyone? Do you consider consent to be of any importance at all?

Answer the questions or carry on making a laughingstock of yourself. I don't care which. The choice is yours.

Oh, wait. You advocate not allowing people a choice. Does that mean you want me to force you to make a clear statement and answer questions? Or is a lack of choice something you only wa

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:48:15 PM
Laran, you completely avoided my point. You are advocating cutting off a healthy portion of a newborn because some people don't know how to clean themselves, rather than actually teaching people how to clean themselves. We don't cut off our hands rather than wash our hands. That'd be stupid!

Just because I'm a woman doesn't mean I shouldn't be concerned with people purposefully harming infants and removing a part of their body without their consent. Since I'm an American, it's something that affects nearly every man/boy I've ever known including people I care about. Of course I should be concerned with it. I know someone who was fine with removing her son's foreskin without his consent but didn't want to get her daughter's ears pierced until she had a say in it. That kind of mindset is ridiculous.

Laran
Male, 30-39, Australia
 190 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:18:02 PM
Lillian, If parants could do their job properly there would be no need for me to have to deal with it for them. it is stupid and sad but true.
what happens when two people who can barely take care of themselves have a kid?
(I should state right now that this is only my observations not any kind of official standpoint from Barkuma.)
We have to teach our guys to cook,clean ,wash their clothes and themselves etc.- then try and police it.
it can get into some pretty grey areas.
Most of the guys are pretty high functioning and cope well with most day to day things by themselves- but some things like brushing teeth and cleaning bodily bits not so much.
(and before you ask yes a lot of them have had all their teeth pulled by the dentist! )
Anyway lillian you girls have a whole bigger set of your own problems to deal with.
this should be more the concern of those that own the necessary equipment lol.
we could debate for ages but this is probably not the plac

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:07:00 PM
Laran, so instead of advocating for educating parents, specifically those where the man is circumcised but their child is not, on how to properly clean their child (and thus the child will know how to properly clean himself), you're advocating for cutting off part of their child's body without the child's consent? That seems like a huge overreaction for an easy to solve problem. Teach proper care and stop spreading bs like "pull back the foreskin even though it's not ready to be pulled back" and most of the cleaning issues will be resolved.

Laran
Male, 30-39, Australia
 190 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 3:30:29 PM
@Angilion- you should be careful who you call a liar mate.
I work for an organisation called Barkuma that cares for and employs people with intellectaul disabilities.
part of my duties include the welfare of our clients (the supported employees).
my OHS&W folder has quite a few cases of poor hygiene problems that are documented.
We now have to train the guys (we usually show them little videos just like in school).
unless you have a personal experience to relate, your opinion is just that -an opinion.
It is not the sort of thing that is actually physically checked by a parent or carerand will often go undetected untill problems arise (or the smell makes you send them into the showers).
Not one of the cicumcised guys has any problems,yet I have a folder full of reports starting with "XXXX presented to work this morning..."
why am I argueing with the net-geniuses??
People -you have been told.the rest is up to you.

bloomi
Male, 18-29, Europe
 131 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:53:25 PM
I've never understood the point of circumcision. Many people thorughout the world are uncircumcised and don't have any problems. If it's medically required allow it, but it should be banned at all other times.

What would the people who do this say if we wanted to cut off some other part of their baby? They'd scream abuse, so why not with circumcision?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11009 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:18:16 AM
I advocate circumcision for biological reasons not cultural or religeos ones.


If that was true then you'd be advocating it only when medically advisable (which is in very rare circumstances).

If you're advocating it in general, then you're lying and you're worse than the people who advocate it for cultural or religious reasons.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5182 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:28:08 AM
Unless clearly medically necessary any form of genital mutilation is child abuse clear and simple.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3746 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:04:06 AM
Is a barbarian thing for barbarian people. If you are worried about hygiene wash yourself,soap was invented looong time ago. If you do it to your kids for religion...well not only you are barbarian but also you impose your drating ideals to a creature that can't understand or choose anything. Cavemans!

Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2122 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:36:35 AM
Wow, not a single american person has stated that "it looks better cut" or "OMG FUNGUSDICK" yet.

Perhaps there is still hope then.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3120 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:38:48 AM
someone post penn & teller BS show about Circumcision

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3120 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:36:23 AM
whats wrong genital mutilation. it fun for every one

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:31:15 AM
All natural here nature's usually a pretty good designer for things BTW. Want something that shows you the train of thought for this practice this is what they do in Madagascar!! Safe for work but not the mind.

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 294 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:54:57 AM
Laran, you are right, there are medical reasons to do this, as listypoos allready said at the start.

in cases of "we need to do this for his health" no one with a sane mindset would object (sane, offcourse, being subjective, but still)

but this movie isnt about that, the discusion isnt about that, its about doing it for no reason other then "we think it may be better for him/her" . Be that religion at the back end of this all or not.

Laran
Male, 30-39, Australia
 190 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:18:35 AM
male foreskins developed to protect the sensitive end of the penis.
Because we wear clothes and underwear it becomes damp.This can lead to serious problems if not properly kept clean.Sometimes children will be a bit slack and in the worst cases ulceration can occur.I worked as a carer in the disability sector for several years and have had to report and get help for one of our Lads.it turned out that it required corrective surgery because the end had fused.
He was unable to "get it up" without pain.
I advocate circumcision for biological reasons not cultural or religeos ones.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11473 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:05:55 AM
I demand gender equality

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4229 Posts
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:41:13 PM
why would anyone purposely chop off the end of some elses penis without even the possibility of consent from the individual? what if someone had the idea that it was culturally appropriate to chop off a childs eyelids....or their big toe....or their tounge. the end of the penis is there for a reason you twats, leave it alone.

3002-3038
Female, 18-29, Western US
 595 Posts
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:15:06 PM
You can definitely tell who didn't watch the whole video, this is what breeds ignorance. people will start arguing as soon as they read the title. instead of reading/watching all it contains. AND then posing an argument

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11009 Posts
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:51:12 PM
Also...about those studies you're so eager to clutch at as an excuse for your cultural wish to mutilate infants. Did they take into account how often the men had sex and who with? It's obviously a huge factor in HIV risk. Most of the men who were mutilated before were Muslims. Islam forbids sex outside of marriage. A non-trivial proportion of Muslims obey the rules of their religion, or at least some of them to some extent. That would obviously dramatically reduce the chance of getting infected with HIV.

That's just one possible factor. Did you even bother checking even just that one factor? I bet you didn't.

Have you taken any steps to check that the studies were comparing like with like, i.e. that the only factor was genital mutilation? Have you even thought about it? Have you even looked at the studies at all? Or did you just leap at any excuse to prop up the nasty religious custom you like?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11009 Posts
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:43:52 PM
science says there is a greater risk of contracting AIDs if you're uncircumcised.


How many American infants are at risk of being infected with HIV as a result of putting their penis inside someone who is infected?

It's none, isn't it?

If someone who is old enough to make major decisions for themselves decides that they want unprotected sex badly enough to have part of their genitals cut off to reduce the risk of infection by much less than using a condom does, that's their business.

It does not excuse cutting parts of babies' genitals off because it's a custom rooted in ludicrous religious hysteria that doesn't even exist any more.

Your argument is so weak that it isn't even good enough to be considered clutching at straws.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:43:20 PM
"because guys with their whole penis get laid a lot more, thereby increasing the odds."

Why doesn't this work for me?

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