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Penn & Teller On Gun Control

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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:59:40 AM
@Angilion

When out of arguments resort to nitpicking.

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2565 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:54:08 PM
Said it before and i'll say it again.

Give us guns, don't take them away.

Outlaws will get them no matter what, let's level the field a bit

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11039 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:45:15 PM
SO then it can be used for sporting purposes.


Try reading a post before replying to it. That would stop you making irrelevant "replies", like the sentence above.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:27:56 PM
@Angilion

Then when will you outlaws swords and bows and arrows? Target shootings an olympic sport is it not? SO then it can be used for sporting purposes.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:19:14 PM
Guns are made solely for killing.

I disagree. Consider this, I shoot at a target at the range. Would you consider this a misuse of the firearm? I certainly don't.

Now, if you do not consider this a misuse of the firearm, then we can conclude that it is being used purposefully. Therefore, one must reach the ultimate conclusion that the purpose of a firearm is not to kill.

What then is the purpose? In all of the cases of use in which I consider a firearm to be used properly, I find that the purpose is to propel a bullet or other projectile over some distance.

Of course, this all hinges on your acceptance or denial that firing a gun at a shooting range is a proper way to use it.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4178 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:38:40 AM
Angilion-"Guns are made solely for killing."

Guns are made solely for the purpose propelling a small tapered cylindrical bit of metal away from itself at a high velocity as accurately as possible.

The PERSON chooses what to throw it at.

The pistol pictured below was made SOLELY for shooting at targets. Not for killing, not for threatening and surely not for concealed carry.


jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:26:50 AM
@McGovern1981- My point is that this isn't an argument used in any form of intelligent debate on this issue. We both know that. For you to posture this claim as an argument held by intelligent supporters of reform only to attack it is dishonest.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11039 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:25:58 AM
Read the comments saying "Guns are made soley for killing" it's said in everyone of these threads. Couldn't be more wrong.


Guns are made solely for killing. That's what they're designed for. That is the purpose of a gun.

Many people use them for shooting targets, but that's just human ability to use things for purposes other than the purpose they were made for. It doesn't change the purpose they were made for.

And don't argue defence. That's just silly in this context. The whole point of using a gun in defence is that it's made solely for killing - you are using it to force someone to obey you by threatening to kill them or by killing them. Which is why you're using something made solely for killing.

Sure, you can also use a gun as a paperweight, a hammer, a means of opening a locked door...all sorts of things, but it doesn't change what a gun is made for - killing.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:09:05 AM
@jinxjinx34

Read the comments saying "Guns are made soley for killing" it's said in everyone of these threads. Couldn't be more wrong.

jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:08:57 AM
continued- If there are far more studies that support your position, why did you choose a tabloid article?

@McGovern1981- "Millions of guns are used everyday for sport and recreation in the US but the anti gunheads still cling to the argument they're just for killing. Our forefathers would be ashamed of you!" This is such a bs strawman argument. There is nobody suggesting that guns are not used for sports. Show me one person claiming that gun sports do not exist.

jinxjinx34
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:49:37 AM
@crakrjak- oh, I see. You have provided a chart of stats from a notoriously dishonest tabloid as a rebuttal to many credible surveys. Is this the best you can do? In the very article showcasing South Africa being the 3rd most violent to the U.K. at number 1 it continues "South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007." All of these "stats" have been obtained using different parameters chosen by the various institutions they are gathered from. I almost feel embarrassed for you for citing this "information" as relevant, and apparently you have done it twice! lol! "All BS studies with several flaws, there are far more studies and statistics that confirm that guns save many more lives than they take and prevent a lot of crimes like rape and robbery." What are the flaws, specifically? Where is this abundant statistical data supporting your claim? If there are "far more" studies that support you

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:53:17 AM
@aroc91

The Wermacht (German military) were generally considered honorable by Allied and Axis forces and were generally ignorant of the horrors perpetrated by the Nazi regime and Schutzstaffel.

The Wermacht did not attack German citizens, that was the special POLICE FORCE called the SS. Your argument supports a pro-gun stance.

aroc91
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 168 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:45:13 AM
@SpermNinja81

"I'm astounded by the belief that the US government is going to turn on it's citizens. I'm hearing it again and again in these gun debate threads. Really?"

Tell that to the citizens of Nazi Germany and the rest of the Axis.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4178 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:10:41 AM
FoolsPrussia-"It never ceases to amaze me how Crakrjak can brazenly dismiss studies that contradict his point of view."



FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:44:28 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how Crakrjak can brazenly dismiss studies that contradict his point of view.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:38:13 AM
@skullgrin
That just makes America sound like a crap place to in. If you need a gun to save yourself from the government then that place isn't worth living in. Also, WHO on this planet is going to try and over throw America? Like seriously dude, Korea are going to invade North America at some point?

@MeGrendel
I never said guns are available here, but there's a difference between living in a country that doesn't allow guns to be used and guns being widely available. Even though I said the U.K has around 8 deaths a year due to guns, that's not a good thing.

@CrakrJak
1) Care to explain how you know the motives of those criminals and KNEW that they would commit crimes because the victim didn't have a gun
2) Explain how, guns are supposed to scare off criminals yet you still have some of the highest shootings in the world?
3) When you cite the DailyMail as a NEWSWORTHY SOURCE, you've already lost your credibility.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:20:50 AM
•"Gun Control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna' have a gun. Safety locks? You pull a trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." -- Former mobster Sammy "The Bull" Gravano, who testified against John Gotti (his former boss), admitted to killing nineteen people, and is now living under the Witness Protection Program.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5684 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:18:07 AM
I posted this in another thread, but perhaps you didn't see it.

I posted how that chart is wrong in that same thread, but perhaps you didn't see it.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:13:58 AM
Millions of guns are used everyday for sport and recreation in the US but the anti gunheads still cling to the argument they're just for killing. Our forefathers would be ashamed of you!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:08:28 AM
dm, she's Scottish, not Irish lol. Her people have never known freedom, except in a movie. ;)


ROFL classic!!!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:04:28 AM
As you can see everyone wanting more control has never owned a single gun. For your information an AR-15 is one of the best target shiiting rifles you can get because yes the military likes their guns to be accurate.
I mean, do you seriously expect to win against the US military with some crappy second hand assault rifles?


Ya that look real secondhand and crappy. The leftist solution ban an object that wasn't legal for the shooter to have in the first place. It's the objects fault lets not try to see what makes a person do such a thing.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2509 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:59:39 AM
No Crackr, that's the way you're choosing to interpret a set of stats that aren't about gun crime.


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:55:46 AM
@baradhili

Quite the facist state you have going there all for "safety."

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany


Now how did that work out again???

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:54:33 AM
I'm astounded by the belief that the US government is going to turn on it's citizens. I'm hearing it again and again in these gun debate threads. Really? how likely is this, even if the amount of firearms were reduced or limited to less combat effective weaponry. I've never heard anything approaching that scenario being suggested in this country, and we're the weirdos who gave up our guns. I have a healthy distrust of anything a politician says, sure. and some of the wars that have been started overseas might be considered criminal, but is the same armed forces who enlisted to fight FOR their country going to be compelled to attack their own citizens? I seriously doubt it. It's also pretty unlikely that any foreign army would try to invade the US theyed just fire nukes., the biggest threat to American citizens are themselves.

baradhili
Male, 40-49, Australia
 160 Posts
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:15:31 AM
In australia all ranged weapons need a permit to own, need to be carried dissassembled and in teh case of guns, teh parts neede to be locked seperately in a safe and the police have the right to make regular un-announced checks.

Does this mean less murders? well stats show that teh murder rate didn't drop that much when the gun laws went into effect. However the number of mass killings dropped pretty much to nil, gun related suicides also dropped close to nil

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