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 Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1514 Posts
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Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:27:21 AM
If christianity is the national religion,we've already lost.
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 AywooJablome
Male, 40-49, Western US
34 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:55:31 PM
Don't feed the trolls |
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 PirateNinja
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
119 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:55:38 PM
Dammit, people, why can't we just leave them alone and let them have their fantasies? I'll absolutely take up arms any time they try to push it into my life (particularly via government.) But if that's what they want to believe privately, who gives a flying duck? |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:15:55 PM
cityncolour: There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that Christmas was indeed an important holiday to early Americans.
whodat: The Puritans were a non-celebratory lot to begin with, very dour and strict. But your evidence that they had banned it, shows that it was being celebrated before they banned it. (otherwise there would be nothing to ban, would there?) Also, the federal government was much more limited in scope before the civil war and there were no 'federal holidays' until the 1870s. |
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 Dragonace
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
160 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:01:57 PM
But ironically, only ONE man in the billboard actually existed in real life.
And that would be Saint Nicholas. He was a Roman Catholic Bishop who was born in 280 BC, in what is now present day Turkey. |
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 MasterJedi79
Male, 30-39, Western US
12 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:57:32 AM
COMPLETELY TRUE. I am a christian, but I do NOT celebrate christmas because it has NOTHING to do with Jesus or God ... it NEVER DID! But ironically, only ONE man in the billboard actually existed in real life. |
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 Kalimata
Male, 30-39, Canada
591 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:19:36 AM
Most people have totally missed the point. These billboards are going up not because the Atheists want to destroy Christianity, and kill Christmas. (Some do perhaps, but not the majority)
Atheists are frightened and concerned with the increasing acceptance of dogma as scientific fact. Dogma legitimizing the subjugation of gay people. Elected officials quoting the bible as fact during discussions on environmental policies. It is the forcing of "Christian Values and Morality" on the rest of society that gives rise to these billboards.
Christmas is the holiday with the biggest Christian fanfare, so it's the best time for a billboard. Wouldn't get as much "bang for your buck" to put up a "Keep your Christ outta my Samhain" billboard.
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 HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2029 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:07:38 AM
I for one think it was genius to keep so many pagan traditions to make it easier for them to "convert".
All depends on how you look at it.
And don't lump all nut job Christian's together, not all of them think its a bad thing to have different beliefs and try shoving it down your throat.
Have I? |
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cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
345 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:27:39 AM
@Justin9235
i care. |
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cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
345 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:25:55 AM
@markust123
i find it mildy ironic that you use the phrase "life is too short for division" to criticize something that is basically saying the same thing. Clearly, you do not see that, and i most definitely don't expect the christian freak-o's to see see it; but i bet that most atheists are anti-religious for the very same reason. life is too short for division, not ONLY that, but it is the ONLY life we have, when it over, it's over. |
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Dragonace
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
160 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:24:15 AM
I think its hilarious that Christians still think that the birth of their savior is the true meaning of the holiday. I hate to burst your bubble, but pretty much every single xmas holiday tradition can be traced back to pagan origins. The original holiday celebrated on December 25th was the celebration of the Winter Solstice. It has been celebrated for centuries amongst many ancient cultures and thus many ancient deities were thought to have been born on this day: Osiris, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Adonis, and Jupiter to name a few. So in order to more easily move christianity into the public consciousness, the catholic church decided that their deity, the son of god, was born on this day too. |
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cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
345 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:14:24 AM
@CrakrJak
I believe you are mistaken. please show me a link to a founding document that states chistmas is a part of anything. show me a national history that makes christmas a tradition in any form. as a matter of fact christmas didn't even become a national holiday until 1870, which is a far cry from "its founding". seriously... useless. |
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 Justin9235
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1558 Posts
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Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:31:08 AM
I'm as atheist as they come, but this is pretty damned pretentious. Who the hell cares. |
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 sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
1997 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:37:00 PM
Without the myth it's just the shopping!
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 whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
2229 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:23:25 PM
@CrakrJak - "Christmas has been part of American culture since it's founding."
Nope, sorry, you're way off on that one buddy! Christmas was not a part of American culture at the time the country was founded. There was even a span of 22 years (1659-1681) when Puritans had outlawed Christmas celebrations in Boston. It wasn't recognized as a federal holiday until 1870. You can read all anout it here if you'd like. |
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 Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
2099 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:10:23 PM
I'm as godless as the next heathen, but David Silverman and his horrible billboards need to f#*k off. |
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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11674 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:05:22 PM
Gimp. This is a douche move. I'm an outspoken atheist myself, but Christmas is a special time to many religious people. I celebrate it in my way, but to do this is kinda like putting up a banner outside a Christian funeral proclaiming "Ha, you fools, grandpa's wormfood and there's no afterlife!"
Piss off, let people have whatever they have to make them happy.
We have a nativity scene set up under our Christmas tree, because my 6-year old daughter says that she loves the Christmas story of baby Jesus in the manger. So, we put it there, she wanted it. Maybe she'll change her mind, maybe she won't. When she asked me the other day whether Jesus was real, I told her that some people think so, and some people don't, and that she could think whatever she believes in.
Mind you, I don't live in America, I don't see the religious billboards every day, so maybe the backlash is justified, I dunno
To me it seems douche. Merry Christmas everyone BTW! |
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 Linkenberger
Male, 18-29, Canada
1066 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:00:17 PM
About 90% as pretentious as Christians accosting people for not celebrating the "true" meaning of Christmas.
Merry Dickmas everyone. |
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 ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
107 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:56:54 PM
Whats that CrakrJak lies, deceit, and theft.
Lies to our kids.
Deceit to our self.
Theft form other religions.
all thing good Christians should not do, also know as SINS. |
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 ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2184 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:47:44 PM
yea atheists for the WIN |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:17:57 PM
cityncolour: Christmas has been part of American culture since it's founding.
I'm not fond of the commercialized mess that it's become, but this billboard seems to be promoting that mess ahead of what the season is really about. |
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 JacobTrue13
Male, 18-29, Europe
239 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:53:41 PM
"Bold statement, but why not just let people celebrate what they want to celebrate?"
Well... they can. American Atheists aren't trying to outlaw religion/spirituality by law are they? It's just a advertisement promoting something, just like every advertisement. |
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 McThstlpnts
Female, 18-29, Southern US
632 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:22:28 PM
Oh wow. |
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 paddy215
Male, 18-29, Europe
1547 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:01:41 PM
If they wanted to be merry they could have spent the money they used advertising this maybe buying food and toys for underprivileged children, instead of trying to offend as many people as possible. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:54:24 PM
Want to know when you are taking your message too far? You're putting it on a billboard. I'd rather not see religion or politics on billboards. Same thing with on Facebook. Life is too short for division. |
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