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 InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 329 Posts
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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:28:22 PM
Ah, the good old days when religious nuts killed over differences in faith. Oh, wait.... |
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 Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9542 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 5:13:02 PM
I'm not saying that any other religions festivities should be disrespected, but Christmas should be honored and respected.
By Christians, sure, but by what warped reasoning do you think that I am waging war against you if I don't want to pay for your religion or have your religion pushed at everyone, on public land and with the official approval of the government?
You are falsely claiming victimhood in order to obtain power. That can be a very effective technique...if you are so immoral that you're willing to stoop to it. Personally, I wouldn't belittle myself like that. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9542 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 5:08:14 PM
(it was the feast of the invincible sun).
I believe you mean winter solstice
Your belief is incorrect.
The date chosen for Christmas was, very specifically, the date of the feast of the invincible sun. It was not the winter solstice.
The reason was simple - the feast of the invincible sun was widely celebrated in Rome when Christianity was starting to gain power.
Pagan Romans tended to run the two celebrations together - Saturnalia (which had already been extended to 5 days and in some ways longer than that as a festive period) and Sol Invictus.
Many of the "Christmas" customs do come from Saturnalia (e.g. time of peace and goodwill, giving of gifts, family get togethers, etc), but the specific date of Christmas comes from the feast of the invincible sun. |
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 Lord_Jereth
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
557 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 12:49:51 PM
@ByOwlPost
"I really do, but someone needs to make rational sense of this for me."
If you could rationalize with religious people, there would be no religious people.
@CrakrJak: Awwww, you mad bro? Not allowing you to make your 4000 year old morals into laws that govern the rest of us, not wanting ancient execution symbols all over every wall and not needing to see a reenactment of your ancient tribal war god's birth on every street corner does not equal a war or persecution. Yes, %87 percent of the U.S. believes in god. But, that does NOT mean that they all believe in YOUR god. Your only real fear is that some day you will no longer be in the majority in this country or the world. Personally, I can't wait.
 LJ |
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Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
273 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 9:38:02 AM
Christianity adopted a lot of rituals at the time Christmas is actually pretty similar to Saturnalia. They used to have a feast and the slaves used to be boss for the day really interesting to read up on.
But despite being an Atheist, a very immoral atheist on the sin front ;) , I still think Christmas (in the uk at least) is being attacked on different front's and unfairly compared to other religious holidays. It's because it's the biggest people just get angry. I don't see why people prefer seeing Black Friday, mass consumerism. Over nativity plays and choral concerts. Say what you want brings a community together even if you don't believe any of it. |
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 ByOwlPost
Female, 18-29, Western US
520 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 9:37:58 AM
Why aren't there any Christians in modern sociotey willing to defend their faith by removing all of the adopted pagan stuff from the celebration of their lord and savior's birth? I want to be on your side guys, I really do, but someone needs to make rational sense of this for me. Why am I the only one that is concerned that your religion has been polluted? It's so blatant and frustrating. :( |
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Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
273 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 9:31:00 AM
Christianity adopted a lot of rituals at the time Christmas is actually pretty similar to Saturnalia. They used to have a feast and the slaves used to be boss for the day really interesting to read up on.
But despite being an Atheist, a very immoral atheist on the sin front ;) , I still think Christmas (in the uk at least) is being attacked on different front's and unfairly compared to other religious holidays. It's because it's the biggest people just get angry. I don't see why people prefer seeing Black Friday, mass consumerism. Over nativity plays and choral concerts. Say what you want brings a community together even if you don't believe any of it. |
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 alpensepp
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
1084 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 8:14:26 AM
sorry, but thats complete BS. Christmas as we celebrate it today has pagan origins. at the time christians adopted it, they werent persecuted for their faith anymore. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 6:36:10 AM
LJ: As much as you painstakingly tried to minimize Christianity, you failed miserably. Why? Because Christianity is still the largest religion in the world.
I'm not saying that any other religions festivities should be disrespected, but Christmas should be honored and respected.
Kain1: History has proven that the more Christians are persecuted the more our religion spreads. |
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 drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
1392 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 3:34:17 AM
Now it's gone full-circle to where the believers would have the non-believers killed. |
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 Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1283 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 2:53:36 AM
@CrackrJak: Having your preferential treatment taken away may feel like persecution, but it is not ACTUAL persecution.. Important thing to remember.. |
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 SnoopyBG
Male, 18-29, Europe
459 Posts
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Friday, December 07, 2012 12:38:14 AM
I X-ed christ from my life a long time ago. |
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Lord_Jereth
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
557 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:28:07 PM
@CrakrJak
You, yourself, are an atheist. There are 720 established religions in the world with a grand total of 3200 sub-sects. You disbelieve in all but 3199 of them. We atheists just believe in one less than you do.
Not having a nativity scene in your local town square is not about making war on your arbitrarily chosen interpretation of a bible scene. Christianity only makes up around 200 of those 3200 sects I mentioned earlier. Not having a nativity scene, or saying, "Happy Holidays," instead of, "Merry Christmas," is actually about having respect for the diversity of the other 3000.
As usual, your persecution complex is showing.
LJ |
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darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
1634 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:38:16 PM
(it was the feast of the invincible sun).
I believe you mean winter solstice
also, Jesus was born in spring |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:17:53 PM
CoyoteKing: Yes, There has been a 'war' against Christmas, by atheists, since before I was born.
The mere thought of a Nativity Scene in a city park sends them into apoplectic fits. Every year we hear about atheists suing over any mentioning or representation of Christ.
If you don't like it tough, live with it. No one makes you bow down and worship here, so get a grip. |
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 Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
438 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:14:41 PM
"Humankind knows the name of its Saviour."
CROM!
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9542 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:05:48 PM
The red suit Santa was designed by the Coca Cola company
No, it wasn't. It was made famous by the Coca Cola company, but there are extant older images of Santa Claus in that outfit.
But you're right that Christmas doesn't really have anything much to do with Christianity. Even the date itself was a straightforward pirating from another religion (it was the feast of the invincible sun). Christian leaders just ripped off bits from every religion they wanted to destroy on their path of conquest, stuck them together and called the result "Christmas".
Christian are, to put it very mildly, on dubious moral ground when they complain about what they perceive as being insufficient levels of Christianity in the midwinter festival. |
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ByOwlPost
Female, 18-29, Western US
520 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:17:54 PM
@mykunter - That's certainly one I've never heard before, kinda like it. :)
But the main point is that.. Christmas is most certainly not what everyone thinks it is. It's just kind of silly that everyone turns it into a war about religious stuff. At this point it's just a celebration of <insert whatever floats your boat here>.
The other day I read a post that said "lol" is a satanic chant for "lucifer our lord" ... Really people? >_< |
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 Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
2665 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:03:09 PM
dumb and dumber |
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 ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
5523 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:56:01 PM
You think too much into this
Just pull up a port and brandy
kick the fire up, and chill out |
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 mykunter
Male, 40-49, Southern US
1583 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:41:14 PM
@ByOwlPost:
You are semi-correct about Santa, but I think you should read this |
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Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
1283 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:21:58 PM
@TheGuySmiley: It may very well be that many people are using it like patchouly, but that doesn't make it any less wrong. You can't change the meaning of something because you don't understand the actual meaning. That's just ignorant.
(Sorry for being the crotchety old man, but this is one of my major mental itches).. |
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ByOwlPost
Female, 18-29, Western US
520 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:13:45 PM
If people wanted to "x" Christ out of christmas, why keep the mas? Why not just call it what it was.. Winter solstice? Does anyone really think a man in a red suit who travels down chimneys to deliver presents to kids has anything to do with Christ? (The red suit Santa was designed by the Coca Cola company.. So this "holiday" is certainly not very original?)
Why is this still a thing? |
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ByOwlPost
Female, 18-29, Western US
520 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 4:05:41 PM
Christ signed his name with an X. It's okay though, lots of people were illiterate back then.
Think anyone will buy this? |
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TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
1184 Posts
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Thursday, December 06, 2012 3:14:37 PM
Kain1: about the originating place it's kind of mixed up, and i agree with ya i see xmas =Christmas, but still as patchouly pointed out the other still is right (to some degree, depending on the interpertation of the user) |
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