 Andicicle
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 441 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:22:24 PM
Its hard to ween people off the teet of all the lies they've been fed here in the united states. Ignorance is bliss, unfortunately, as is evidenced by many of the anti socialized healthcare coments here. Disgusting, really. |
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 lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
785 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:31:55 PM
"You forgot to mention the price and tax increases we get on everything else when "free" healthcare is introduced."
What makes you so sure that it would cost more in universal healthcare taxes than you already SHOULD be paying to have your own insurance now? You think it costs more because currently your employer pays most of it and the rest comes out of your check automatically so it's pretty brainless on your part. If the gov set the prices and everyone has to contribute, it should cost us less, like other countries that do it. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:28:40 PM
danari
"That's not an honest comparison. In Canada, you're paying the doctor's salary through your taxes. An angiogram does not really cost $35."
Actually, I believe this is describing the cost of the procedure whether it is paid by the individual, the government, or an insurance company.
An angiogram is a simple 30 minute imaging procedure and I don't know if it is actually performed by a doctor.
In Canada I don't believe the patient pays anything for an angiogram or to have a baby delivered. |
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lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
785 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:27:39 PM
"People can only possibly be entitled to free healthcare if they take care of their body."
Only a guy your age would say something this silly. Wait until you get a disease that's totally out of your control. So I guess you don't do anything bad for your body like smoke, drink or engage in risky behavior like sleeping around or playing sports or driving too fast? |
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lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
785 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:23:55 PM
"It's like saying that my trash collection is free. It isn't free. "
Well, aren't you lucky. In MN, we have to arrange and pay for our own monthly trash/recycling service. |
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 emmettyville
Female, 30-39, Australia
2710 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:46:19 PM
I have no idea how much these things cost in NZ, cause it's all free. There must be a cost to the government though....beats me what it is! |
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 danari
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
1 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:37:46 PM
That's not an honest comparison. In Canada, you're paying the doctor's salary through your taxes. An angiogram does not really cost $35.
It's like saying that my trash collection is free. It isn't free. You just don't see the salaries that are paid by taxes. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:32:41 PM
Our healthcare system is F.UCKED. Even if you do what you are supposed to and play by the rules you get screwed.
My girlfriend had health insurance through work, "good" health insurance. When she had a baby she went to her in-network doctor at an in-network hospital. However it ended up being a C-section and the anesthesiologist was out of network which was out of our control. She got stuck with a $5,500 bill. That's a lot of money to a lot of people. |
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:26:18 PM
Andrew155
"If you're a man my age, that would be weighing less than 190 pounds"
Well that is an idiotic generalization. I'm 6'1", 210 lbs with 11% body fat. I'm in great shape.
If someone is 5'0" and they way 190 they are probably in horrible shape. |
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 Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
836 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:07:30 PM
Having universal healthcare may create problems for the US, but its still the first step in solving a great many more.
Having regulated fees by the government is only to compensate for the capitalists being greedy and overcharging on the basic neccessities of life. Finding a good doctor may involve a little trial and error but at least some jackass cant buy his way to the front of the line because daddy left him a trust fund. F.U. Ralph Klein. |
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 Daegog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
62 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:58:34 PM
i love how americans like to pretend we have higher quality health care..
Some people hate the truth... |
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 chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1473 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:54:45 PM
@Mikeox
It may not cost the patient, but it is not costless. These figures are the average actual expense of the procedure, regardless of how/who pays it. |
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 Mikeoxsbiggg
Male, 30-39, Canada
724 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:48:29 PM
Having children in Canada dosen't cost anything at the hospital. This in inaccurate. |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8710 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:45:21 PM
These prices don't reflect the true cost. Most of those other "lower-priced" countries have HUGE government subsidies to offset the cost. Also, the US prices include costs for malpractice insurance (upwards of $100K/yr for a doctor and $millions for a hospital), product liability insurance for supplies, equipment, drugs, etc., which runs into $100 billions, defensive medicine (Google it), and onerous bureaucratic paperwork requirements (a typical doctor's office will employ 1 nurse, 1 receptionist, and 2-3 people to handle Medicare, Medicaid, and insurance claims).
Our costs would be even lower than these socialist welfare states if the government and the parasitic lawyers would just get the f*** out of the health care business altogether and let the market work. |
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34pdaddy11
Male, 13-17, Southern US
13 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:19:53 PM
however, MRI wait time
USA Wait time-within a week
Canada wait time-8+months
I know i have a lot of family in Canada, they would prefer to pay extra than have the ridiculously long wait times |
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 Chris86530
Male, 18-29, Southern US
4 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:14:55 PM
This graph fails to identify the differences in quality of the physicians and the rigorous training we endure...why do you think so many IMG's have issues passing the American USMLE's? I wouldn't let my family dog be treated by a European physician. Secondly, I agree that reform is needed; however, creating universal healthcare is not the answer. This "healthcare act" is nothing more than glorified insurance reform and tax on the middle class (who are already buried, poor souls)...if healthcare in the US is ever truly made universal, incentive on the part of the individual physician will die and we will be stagnantly wading in a system of mass volume in which we must see as many patients as possible a day to make the same income as pre"universality."
Third point is to get these damn pharmaceutical and medical supply companies controlled, sorry to rant but had a long day in clinic. Feel free to flame and pick apart my statement with google searches and quotes |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1049 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:47:10 PM
Jacobsona, if only everyone were as smart as you. In that world, things would be just peachy. |
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Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1049 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:46:24 PM
People can only possibly be entitled to free healthcare if they take care of their body. If you're a man my age, that would be weighing less than 190 pounds and being able to run two miles in 15 minutes or less.
If you're going to take, you have to meet them halfway. Especially, since we're all suddenly realizing that Capitalism doesn't generate enough wealth to fund unlimited social programs in their current form. |
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 jacobsona29
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
200 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:43:41 PM
And yet when the gov tries to give it to you, everyone is in arms about it. God, people here are idiots. |
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 WheresMyGoat
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
30 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:43:22 PM
Lawyers |
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 Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2695 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:34:41 PM
You forgot to mention the price and tax increases we get on everything else when "free" healthcare is introduced. |
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lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
785 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:22:43 PM
Kinda makes one wish we had universal health care like they do... |
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 fancylad
Male, 30-39, Western US
2512 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 7:08:11 PM
Link: American Health Care Vs. The World's Prices [Pic] [Rate Link] - We're getting screwed! |
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