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1,000 Wrongfully Convicted And Counting...

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drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6099 Posts
Sunday, December 02, 2012 5:17:46 AM
Yay, US law enforcement.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Sunday, December 02, 2012 4:42:00 AM
madest: From 1973 through 2008, nearly 50 million legal abortions have occurred in the US.
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I won't have a conversation with someone who equates abortion with jailing and even executing a wrongfully convicted human being. Those baiting tactics might work on your fellow republican tards but they're not even in the same hemisphere to people with a 2 digit IQ or more.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17243 Posts
Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:58:48 AM
madest: From 1973 through 2008, nearly 50 million legal abortions have occurred in the US.

So please tell me again, which is the greater crime? Killing 50 million innocent children or a few hundred innocent adults?

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:46:11 PM
Wow - that's scary.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 6:01:09 PM
@BlankTom

I see your point, but I think the numbers being discussed here are too broad. Quite frankly we have too many people locked up for the wrong (see drug wars), that's a different discussion. The discussion should instead focus on how many people have been convicted of murder not just crimes in general.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 5:07:24 PM
see kree, teach a man a fish....

but i still think you're off on your numbers. Where are you getting .07% from? And for that matter, what are you basing the 1% from?

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 376 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:56:03 PM
Blanktom, Out of a population of 100,000 people.....

Wait a second.

Right, I see that. To compare at that level, I would need to look at total population not just prison population so,

.07% of people are wrongfully convicted, still the highest out of those listed, but on the same scale.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:41:52 PM
@kree be more specific about your statistics and you should see where you flaw is.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 376 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:39:23 PM
Blanktom

Rape is at .002%
Malpractive at .05%
Car accidents at .02%

1% is a huge number. Gigantic.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:28:30 PM
kree, yes, it could definatly be better. And I['m not even going to say that the justice system is without flaws. But i don't believe that the relatively small false convictions is one of them.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 376 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:27:27 PM
Andrew, Part of the problem, is that cops are rewarded for high arrest rates. And that prosecutors are rewarded for high conviction rates.

tedgp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3283 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:07:40 PM
See. Theres the inherent problem. You rely on a Jury. A group of random people plucked from the streets with no real checks. This leaves them open to stupid and ridiculous opinions, especially when half of them dont want to be there in the first place, and will just say anything to get out of there ( after all, its not their life, what do they care.), the other half after the free board for big trials etc.

ALL judgements should be handed down after full and complete investigations, coupled with full evidence. Not circumstancial which the US justice system relies on.

Then we have the fact that innocence and guilt does not matter in a US courtroom. All that matters is how your lawyer works, and if he can "brainwash" the uneducated people in the jury.

And people here still say the justice system is good and working well?

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:05:57 PM
In any system that is designed to validate or reject a hypothesis (in this case, conviction), there are always Type I and Type II errors. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be working to mitigate those as much as possible.

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:03:25 PM
@carmium: I'm not overtly arguing against your statement, but do you have a link to data that supports that assertion? I'd like to understand how strong that link is.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:02:02 PM
I'm totally willing to acknowledge that even one wrongful conviction is not "good" or "just. And yes, it exposes a deep flaw in our judicial system.

Yet, to my knowledge, there no alternatives that will yield us zero wrongful convictions. A jury will always be wrong sometimes. If a judge or some "non-partial" arbiter were to decide, they would still be wrong occasionally.

Even if we were to expand the concept of reasonable doubt getting somebody off, which I would support despite many OJesque criminals getting off, there would still be hundreds and probably thousands of wrongful convictions.

So we can call the system the United Soviet Socialist Republic all we want, but it's only useful if you have a workable alternative. I am all ears for any solutions.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 376 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:58:16 PM
Blanktom. Then we have reached an agreement? I do not say it is flawed, you say it could be better?

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1968 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:57:30 PM
There is no "Justice" system, only a Legal system.

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6406 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:52:58 PM
It's no excuse for a miscarriage of justice, but I might point out that most "iffy" or even dubious convictions are against people with long records who have somehow avoided the jail time they deserved in the past.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:51:36 PM
@kree, sure - go ahead and work to make the justice system better, if that's your thing. I have no problme about that.

What I do have a problem with is saying that our Justice System is flawed because there is such a small percentage of people being wrongfully convicted.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 376 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:42:04 PM
Blanktom, people fight to make cars safer, and to make rapes/murder less likely. We do not sit idly by and say "good enough."

Prison is a horrible horrible place. You should not wish it upon anyone, and you should not write off those who end up there accidentally as casualties of the system.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:36:56 PM
i totally agree with you Madest. We should be using the death penalty more frequently. Only 1300 people seems like it's not even worth talking about.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11341 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:30:05 PM
Tell its the end of days when Im with MacGuffin, AND tedgp !!!

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:28:39 PM
Since 1976 when the death penalty was reinstated, there have been 131 people from 26 states released from death row with evidence of their innocence. 1,269 people have been executed in the U.S. some of whom we know were innocent.

BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6560 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:28:27 PM
kree, you may want to check the logic behind your 2-4 classmates, lol..

I just pulled the .01% out of my ass, but even if we're somewhere between .05 and 1% false convictions, i'm saying that's far better than the alternative.

The truth is that bad things happen to innocent people all the time. Car crashes, medical malpractice, rape, murder... you name it. And i'd be willing to be each one of those happens more frequently than a wrongful conviction. For me, i'd rather spend a few years in jail than to be paralyzed by a drunk driver.

The problem is that people get emotionally attached to these stories and ignore the truth of the whole. No one cares about the millions of stories of how a person was properly convicted, but yet we hear this video and jump up and say "The justice system is flawed!"

Kaagan
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1535 Posts
Saturday, December 01, 2012 3:25:12 PM
how do you know going to play video games was an alibi to go rob a store

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