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 Mr_Ike
Male, 18-29, Europe
 39 Posts
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Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:05:31 AM
How do we define GM? Because selective breeding is basically GM too. Just much slower. However, we've been doing it for thousands of years, so ALL food is basically GM. |
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freeze43
Male, 18-29, Australia
85 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 11:13:15 PM
""This food is lower quality and more expensive, but it meets the nutritional requirements of hysterical, hypochondriacal, obsessive liberal idiots."
There, how's that for a label?"
I agree with the sentiment, however fear of GM food expands far beyond stereotypical "liberal" beliefs- even if the people in this particular video are a bunch of hippies. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6282 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 9:58:56 PM
I have a solution: Voluntary labelling of foods "Certified GM Free" |
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Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6282 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 9:57:44 PM
That's how you pronounce Anne Heche? |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8712 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 9:40:11 PM
"This food is lower quality and more expensive, but it meets the nutritional requirements of hysterical, hypochondriacal, obsessive liberal idiots."
There, how's that for a label? |
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freeze43
Male, 18-29, Australia
85 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 8:30:49 PM
Oh. Sorry didn't know that. Anyway, farmers are bound to suffer unnecessarily if they use GM crops thanks to its stigma which is both unfounded and unhelpful. Have labels for things which actually matter, like the condition of an alternative medicine's scientific veracity, or the likelihood of sustaining healthy living by eating particular high cholesterol foods. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 8:21:50 PM
farmers are bound to suffer unnece
...go on!
(the real cutoff's around 800 for future reference). |
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freeze43
Male, 18-29, Australia
85 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 8:10:18 PM
We have used genetically modified food for approximately two thousand years.Just because we happen to have better methods to genetically modify food recently doesn't make it somehow worse. In fact, the new, stringent policies all but ensure that it is healthy, more productive, tastier and all round better for everyone involved.Be concerned with additives that your child might be allergic to, and the health advice which is almost universally on every label, but not the fact that it is genetically modified.
In response to piperfawn's comment that GM(GE) food should at least be noted, let me first point out my point above, that we have always GM'd food. Secondly, there's no reason why you shouldn't, but no reason why you must; labeling a food Genetically Modified carries an unfounded moniker of evilness and playing God. It sounds intuitively wrong, and while the educated commenters on i-a-b may appreciate the almost inherent harmlessness of GM, farmers are bound to suffer unnece |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 5:58:49 PM
that no one have see bankruptcy cause of a label
A supposed lack of harm from a law does not mean it is good law. |
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 piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 5:30:33 PM
Cajun247 We allready have this law in EU and i assure you that no one have see bankruptcy cause of a label. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 5:29:06 PM
but as we have see in the comments here not all are against it
Argumentum ad populum, just because a particular policy/law is popular does not mean it is good idea.
Ohh lol first world problem are the most funny
It may seem funny but many business decisions are serious gambles especially how you market products. Packaging *is* a form of marketing, Big Agra will be marginally affected by such laws, small producers on the other hand could be scared out of business. |
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 5:21:13 PM
Except that it would make placing your brand on the item more difficult."
Ohh lol first world problems are the most funny. |
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 5:19:32 PM
"Again what is the big deal with genetically modified food?"
Seems that for you is more important to defend GE food than to inform people. Anyway if we talk about freedom why don't let every single buyer do his own choice about GE or not,you seems to suggest that the GE label on product can be counter productive but as we have see in the comments here not all are against it. So what is the problem? People that don't care about it will keep buyng it,people that are against will choose something different...that's all and is the best way to be loyal to your costumer and to keep clear information.I respect your idea to think that GE is good as you must respect the people that thinks is not,this is the real freedom and can be only achieved via a clear information. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 5:08:28 PM
so there should be no legal or moral impediment to increasing those labeling standards
Except that it would make placing your brand on the item more difficult.
A corporation is chartered by the state, in other words the state grants them permission to do business through licensing, dba's and laws of incorporation
So a lemonade stand needs permission from the state now? Sorry that doesn't give the state or its people carte blanche power to pass new regulations as they please. This boils down to an overbroad interpretation of the right to know. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 4:58:22 PM
Anyway here in EU we had the clear label law on food from long time and no one has gone crazy about freedom taken away from the evil government
Again what is the big deal with genetically modified food? |
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 chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1474 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 4:35:19 PM
@TruTenrMan
What you fail to recognize is that corporations are not free citizens. Or at least they weren't meant to be and didn't used to be, despite their arguments to the contrary. A corporation is chartered by the state, in other words the state grants them permission to do business through licensing, dba's and laws of incorporation. The government already mandates the use of nutrition labels, so there should be no legal or moral impediment to increasing those labeling standards to include whether the product is GM or not. That would not infringe on anyone's rights, in fact (as piper has said) it would INCREASE the public's right to make an informed decision regarding what to put on their own tables. |
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 4:26:26 PM
Anyway here in EU we had the clear label law on food from long time and no one has gone crazy about freedom taken away from the evil government. Industries and people were happy and ready for a new and better form of knowledge. Lol and you create also more jobs,cause you need more label design , more people that control the ingredients of the food and more people in the chain of production and distribution. |
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Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
589 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 4:22:55 PM
GAAH! Wht happened to Daryl Hannah?! Someone pass the eye bleach!
I never thought she was that hawt when she "was hawt" but sweet merciful crap .... |
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 4:10:21 PM
TruTenrMan but your is also a democracy, the freedom of being informed for the majority of your population is more important than the freedom of hide what you really sell of few stockholders (i.e., citizens).Or you think that the major part of your population are stockholders in food industry. |
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 TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2169 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 3:01:32 PM
@piperfawn
the governmet is also established to grant ,with [its] decisions,the freedom you are claiming. In my opinion is better to grant freedom for the people than to grant cover for privates industries.
The American government wast no created to grant freedoms. Those freedoms (in our Constitution) were God-given, and it is solely the responsibility for the government to uphold them.
As for the second part of your comment, private industries are run by stockholders (i.e., citizens).
All this crap is about helping lazy people continue to be lazy. |
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 2:15:17 PM
Cajun247 Nahh, tonight i am seeking the brilliant mind of the choosen one that can understand me,seems you are not the one. |
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uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
790 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 2:14:18 PM
Im ok with them labeling it, except for all the dumb people who will not buy it because it's genetically modified.. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 2:10:26 PM
In any case vodka don't help my english tonight.
Then re-write your comments AFTER you sober up.
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 2:05:49 PM
In any case vodka don't help my english tonight. |
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3156 Posts
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Friday, November 30, 2012 2:04:40 PM
Cajun247 Ty for the mtrfker  .I allready stated lot of time that my english is like a sock weared by a pig that live in the middle of the mud,but i never study it, i am a self learner and you don't know how many time i am enraged cause i can't express my self as i would like, but suddenly i calm my self cause i think...if i,english ignorant,can understand what some iaber says,and i am pretty sure that lot of time the english here is not the right one,maybe someone with a brilliant mind will understand what i am sayng.Maybe i am too much optimistic. |
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