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The Key To Understanding Dinosaurs? [Pic]

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TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:01:55 PM
photomstr: a lot of people with faith also have an interest in science. This relationship is very clearly outlined in psalm 111:2 "Great are the works of the Lord, they are pondered by all who delight in them." Even Einstein said that science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind.

photomstr
Male, 50-59, Canada
 767 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:48:17 PM
I can't understand how 40% of the most modern nation in the world actually believe this crap. The same science that makes your car drive indicates the world is 4.6 billion years old and gods do not exist. As sasquatch, ghosts and alien ufos do not exist. These ancient superstitious stone age belief systems will be the down fall of modern man . . .

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:38:05 PM
HG: Anyone can make up what if's. But the fact is that faith in God is not going to end, so for you and many others, it's just going to be a matter of learning to live with the fact that people have had/do have/will have faith in God.


TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:32:27 PM
angelion: actually God is everlasting, and there's only one, who has been around since before mankind was. It sort of renders your point moot, and it looks like you're making up things to suit your own dogmas. So it would appear your own judgments and declarations fall on your head.


Anyway, faith in God will go on forever; nothing will bring it to an end. You can be assured of this. It's no surprise though, nor is there any point arguing it, because this world needs Love more than anything, and God is the author of love. He is working in us and the world so that we can all have peace. Until then it's best to be excellent and love one another, since that's where the true strength is (which is why faith in God will never end!)

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:04:35 PM
CrakrJak

"The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman)."

Says who? Did these thousands of people tell you personally? Or did someone write down that they said so?

You believe in a God that could achieve world wide love and peace in a matter of minutes and CHOOSES not to. He chooses to watch us suffer and fight and kill each other when he could end it immediately. How the f.uck is that a "loving god"?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:00:16 PM
TheGuySmiley

"But history shows that they were proven wrong; another example of a way being unable to stand up to faith in God"

All that history showed is that Christianity came at the right time for world domination. Constantine lost his mind and ordered Christianity to be the only accepted religion in the roman empire. The roman empire conquered most of europe which in turn conquered most of the world and settled the new world. Had constantine chosen judaism as his religion of choice you'd be jewish.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17130 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:57:14 PM
Angilion: The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman).

Sorry Lillian, I just don't believe in your personnel revelation of Santa Claus anymore than I'd believe Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon.

HG:
Had you been born and raised in India and went looking for answers as a teenager you'd be on here telling us how being a Hindu is the way to go.

India is a nation of many religions and people, including an ever increasing number of Christians. Your example is extremely flawed, because you've made asinine assumptions.

Do you believe British kids born in India would've automatically been Hindu? What about Persian kids, Tibetan kids, Sikhs? Besides that what faith one was born into, isn't always the faith people stay w

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:18:05 PM
CrakrJak

"It wasn't until I was a teenager that started looking for answers and I turned to the bible. After initially getting more questions than answers I decided to go to church on my own"

Yes. Had you been born and raised in India and went looking for answers as a teenager you'd be on here telling us how being a Hindu is the way to go.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11492 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:17:44 PM
HG: Faith in God was around long before the Egyptians.


Not in your god, no. There was faith in various gods before the Egyptians, but not in yours. Yours is a relative newcomer. Even traditional Jewish faith only puts the origins back 4000 years and that's complete faith that not only has no supporting evidence but which contradicts the available evidence. Even then, that puts the beginning of faith in your god as only 4000 years ago, and that's being extremely generous. Egypt was inhabited ~60,000 years ago, was fairly well organised ~7500 years ago and was a unified country ~5200 years ago.

You are making things up to suit your faith, with total disregard for reality. Well done, you're a perfect theist.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:16:10 PM
LillianDulci

Allow me to paraphrase GuySmiley.

History shows that they were proven wrong; another example of a way being unable to stand up to faith in Santa, and faith in Santa going on. This will continue to go on because faith in Santa is a true way. The internet will only help magnify it's truth too, despite all those who hate it trying to muzzle it.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11492 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:07:03 PM
Probably about a quarter of modern English words are as old as the Christian bible.


I've just realised that I was wrong, in a sense. Most modern English words are as old as the Christian bible, although only about a quarter were English words at the time. A big chunk of modern English words are copied from Latin, which was certainly being spoken that far back.

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:18:22 PM
"Santa Claus told you? Really? You're going to argue based on your own personal fiction?"

As opposed to your own personal fiction? Sure. The only reason /you/ don't believe in Santa Claus is because you don't have faith! Were you there when Santa Claus spoke to me? Nope, so you can't say it didn't happen. It did, and I wrote it down, which makes it true. How do Santa's followers, such as Angilion, know it's true? They read my words and have faith that it's true. I'm sure you're going to teach your children that Santa's real and that when they die they become elves because the profit LillianDulci recorded her experience of Santa talking to her on IAB.

whirlygirl
Female, 30-39, Canada
 226 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:05:02 PM
I think people taking their children here constitutes child abuse.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11492 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:46:11 PM
As an aside, the Mary who was redacted from the new testament of the Christian bible was Jesus' companion, not his mother.

There was a lot of conflict in the early Christian church, with at least 3 factions. Paul won and, unsurprisingly, he and his followers "guided" Christianity in their own way, downgrading the others to insignificance or, where that wasn't possible, rebranding them as heretics and having them violently suppressed and killed.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11492 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:41:58 PM
Lillian: Santa Claus told you? Really? You're going to argue based on your own personal fiction?


I can easily negate that point:

I believe it because Lillian has written that it happened to her.

There you go - it's now exactly the same as religion. Someone wrote it down and someone else believed it. I know that Lillian's revelation from Santa Claus is the truth because she wrote it down.

It's no more and no less valid than the personal fiction that you believe in.

Some guy took some hallucinogens and wrote the results down because he thought they were a revelation. I can understand that - I've taken hallucinogens and I thought I understood a previously hidden truth. It's a common side-effect.

2000 years later and some people, like you, believe it for no reason. Bizarrely, you probably don't realise that it's just as much a personal fiction as Lillian's revelation from Santa Claus.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11492 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:33:23 PM
Attribution for the previous quote:

Oxford Companion to Archaeology.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:31:24 PM
The key to understanding dinosaurs can be found in a book, its true, but try one on Paleontology.

The bible doesn't say poo about dinosaurs, in fact its almost as if the authors were guided by a shared delusion, rather than by an omniscient being.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11492 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:23:35 PM
The biblical manuscripts from Qumran, which include at least fragments from every book of the Old Testament, except perhaps for the Book of Esther, provide a far older cross section of scriptural tradition than that available to scholars before. While some of the Qumran biblical manuscripts are nearly identical to the Masoretic, or traditional, Hebrew text of the Old Testament, some manuscripts of the books of Exodus and Samuel found in Cave Four exhibit dramatic differences in both language and content. In their astonishing range of textual variants, the Qumran biblical discoveries have prompted scholars to reconsider the once-accepted theories of the development of the modern biblical text from only three manuscript families: of the Masoretic text, of the Hebrew original of the Septuagint, and of the Samaritan Pentateuch. It is now becoming increasingly clear that the Old Testament scripture was extremely fluid until its canonization around A.D. 100.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11492 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:22:38 PM
The oldest written scrolls we have of the bible are The Dead Sea Scrolls and they have shown that the modern translation is very accurate.


Wrong:

1) The dead sea scrolls contains only parts of only the old testament - they are far from a complete copy of the whole Christian bible.

2) They do not all agree with each other or with the Jewish texts that the old testament is taken from, i.e. not even in the original languages, let alone in modern translations into English.

3) They are not originals - they date as late as 100AD, *after* the major editing. So they are edited and interpreted and probably changed, just like the new testament was in the early and mid 4th century.

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1316 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:57:47 PM
It's troubling reading through these comments on religious discussion. It truly pains me to see fully grown adults, some 20-30 years my elder, speak such stupid things and worse yet, believe it. And maybe even worse, knowing that they spread that belief to their offspring and probably didn't give them a chance to learn reason and common sense before polluting their mind with that garbage.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17130 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:41:27 PM
chuckleboy: You're speaking of the apocryphal books, about Mary, that were written well after most of the New Testament. Jesus didn't need education, he knew the 'Word of God' from birth and was showing that knowledge to the temple priests when he was a very young boy. Christ was able to do this because he was God in human form, 'The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.'

The apocryphal books were stressing the importance of Mary, and the Catholic church still does, because the people they were preaching to had very popular female deities in Greek and Rome, so they deified Mary to get people to convert.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17130 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:29:19 PM
Lillian: Santa Claus told you? Really? You're going to argue based on your own personal fiction?

chalket: My parents didn't force religion on me, in fact I'd rather have been home Sunday mornings watching 'Wrestling At The Chase' on TV. My cousins were going to church and said it was fun, went a few times and didn't return. It wasn't until I was a teenager that started looking for answers and I turned to the bible. After initially getting more questions than answers I decided to go to church on my own, which drew my parents back into going to church.

So you see it was the other way around, Because I started to believe they re-discovered their belief as well.

Angilion: The oldest written scrolls we have of the bible are The Dead Sea Scrolls and they have shown that the modern translation is very accurate. The early Christian scribes took their jobs very seriously because mistranslating the bible, they believed, meant going to hell.

chuckleboy
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 145 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:30:01 PM
"On top of that, some "translations" are outright lies for political reasons."

Angillion speaks truly. There's clear historical evidence from a number of sources that various translations of the New Testament purposely minimized the role of Mary in Jesus' life, who it was said played a fundamental role in guiding and educating him.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:00:01 PM
HG: Faith in God was around long before the Egyptians. For a time they thought their way was better than God's, or that faith in God was nothing compared to their way. But history shows that they were proven wrong; another example of a way being unable to stand up to faith in God, and faith in God going on. This will continue to go on because faith in God is a true way. The internet will only help magnify it's truth too, despite all those who hate it trying to muzzle it.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 420 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:23:18 AM
"
Remember this, and all christians should do to: The bible was never correctly translated from its original arameic. For a lot of the words, there are no direct english translations, so it had to be translated through many other languages."

When reality disagrees with the bible, then the bible is wrong. This goes for the age of the Earth, the Big Bang, and even Evolution. Evidence points to all three all around us, and so if the bible says something else happened, then it is dead wrong.

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