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The Key To Understanding Dinosaurs? [Pic]

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CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 5121 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 7:16:47 AM
From Elves 11:1-4
"He knows if you've been bad or good...


XD!!!
That is now the new running gag of the week...

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5713 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 6:30:49 AM
The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman).

Well there are lots of cookies and milk missing and presents under the tree. One day you'll realize the error of your ways and truth will dawn when you receive presents this Xmas and have faith in the One true Santa and his prophet Rudolph, whose red nose was given unto Him to absolve you of your misdeeds over the last year and now allows you to have presents even if you've been bad, but only if you accept Santa into your heart.
From Elves 11:1-4
"He knows if you've been bad or good so be good for goodness' sake."
Thus demonstrating His omnipotence, as foretold in the book of Claus.

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1315 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 5:25:56 AM
@CrakrJak

Even if your God is real, trust me, I want no part in it.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 5:03:12 AM
HG: Hate to spring this news on you but all of life is a test and it isn't fair either. If you're still whining and chaffing against that fact, then you haven't grown up yet.

Jesus died to save us from our own sins. God is not responsible for your actions, thoughts and deeds, YOU ARE!

That's like blaming a cop because he didn't stop you from driving drunk, then you get in an accident that paralyzes you. It wouldn't be the cops fault that you decided of your own freewill, however much impaired, to screw up your own life and possibly that of others.

You missed the whole point of Jesus' sacrifice because you seem to always want to blame God. You claim you want knowledge, but haven't came to the realization that mankind is it's own worst enemy because it lacks faith and the responsibility of taking blame for ones own actions/sins.

Langer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 389 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 3:37:12 AM
[quote">So then it is all just a test. Doesn't that seem petty and silly for an omnipotent being? [/quote">

his ideas are always brilliant

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 302 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 1:27:12 AM
sigh.. bad counter...

Dont make others live by those rules though!

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 302 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 1:26:40 AM
I love these discussions, well, i call em such, but they really arent. those defending religion do so close minded, there is no argument that will make them change their point for it is faith that compels them, or in this case ,repels them from criticly looking at anything within their faith.

Those claiming religion is a false and idle theorie do so out of force too, basicly being close minded to. They are trying to convince those that do not want to be convinced and this spurs a new circle of trying to convince and denying.

The christian relegion isnt that old and yet it spans many generations. Their biggest enemy isn't muslim faith which is basicly the same, but the rejection of faith. This is truly scary. Simply because it wont buy into the hype, being that humans should take responcibility them self. Most western religions are about absolving one of responcibility.
You want to be a religious person? good, live by the rules.
Dont make others live by those

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 12:18:04 AM
CrakrJak

"He wants us to do it because His Son demonstrated His love for us. But you should already know this, because you claimed to have read the bible. I'm seriously doubting that claim."

So then it is all just a test. Doesn't that seem petty and silly for an omnipotent being?

How exactly did his son demonstrate his love for us? By committing suicide? What exactly did that do? Save us? Save us from whom? God? So God had a son specifically to die brutally in exchange for saving us from God? How exactly does that make any f.uckling sense?

I've read the book. However, I've read it objectively and if you read the bible objectively it is absurd. You read the bible looking for something and wanting to find something. So you find what you want to find.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 12:07:56 AM
HG: We cause our own suffering and death, they are the wages of sin.

Even when God revealed himself to the Jews, His chosen people, they still doubted and lost their way. God doesn't want us to love him out of fear. He wants us to do it because His Son demonstrated His love for us.

But you should already know this, because you claimed to have read the bible.

I'm seriously doubting that claim.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Monday, November 26, 2012 12:07:34 AM
You all need to seriously chill out.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:20:04 PM
CrakrJak

"He chose for us to make up our own minds whether to follow his words of peace and love for all mankind, or to not too."

WHY? Why turn humanity and suffering into a test? Just for kicks? We're supposed to be his children. I have kids. I would NEVER allow my child to suffer for a moment if I could do anything to stop it.

I'm not saying he should alter freewill, but all it would take is him revealing himself and it would basically end all war.

Why can't he? He did it constantly a few thousand years ago.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:11:46 PM
Angilion

"1) That is not information. It is a statement of faith."

Hilarious right? You tell them you don't believe in God or the Bible and then they attempt to prove or justify God by quoting from the Bible, something you don't believe to be factually accurate.

It is like proving Gandolf exists by quoting the Lord of the Rings.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:52:26 PM
i'm gathering from what you posted that you really don't have an understanding of God, but it would seem you have one based on prejudices or dogmas.


I understand your religion much better than you do, obviously, because I know more about it. You don't even know that 5000 years ago came before 4000 years ago!

It's true that my understanding of your god is based on prejudices and dogmas - the prejudices and dogmas of your religion. Understanding those is obviously necessary to understanding your religion, since they are the foundation of your religion.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:48:58 PM
Angilion: Here's some info for you (which was posted earleir) Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." You're the one who seems to be implying that that the Egyptians were around before all that took place, and i'm ignorant because i don't know this.


You seem to be deluded or lying.

1) That is not information. It is a statement of faith.

2) It is completely unrelated to your initial claim, the one which I showed to be wrong.

3) Your baseless claim about what I am implying is a figment of your imagination. I've been very clear about what I mean and your drivel has no connection to it at all.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17035 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:58:42 PM
HG: He chooses to watch us suffer and fight and kill each other when he could end it immediately.


He chose for us to make up our own minds whether to follow his words of peace and love for all mankind, or to not too. Once again you're trying to lay guilt on God for mankind's transgressions.

To correct your quote, "I believe in a God that gave us the choice to achieve world wide love and peace if only we had the faith to follow his word."

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:18:35 PM
HG: again, I can see how it would seem that way to you. You can study it if you like, but they will eventually work hand in hand, because both science and religion are unique tools that we can use for unique jobs that will eventually allow us to live in harmony. If you consider 'religion' as you have built it up in your head, which seems like some twisted thing and far from the truth, it's no wonder you can't see the possibliity. But true religion focusing on love, hope, truth, honour, and excellence, can benefit science by ensuring that we focus on the true and excellent things. Like helping the blind see, or the deaf hear, instead of how to wipe out nations, people and other forms of life. On the flipside, science can help religion by being the vehicle for the spread of love, sharing, hope, and joy. Like the printing press allowed so many people to learn the depths of love from God by studying the bible in their own house.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:02:59 PM
TheGuySmiley

"you can try to reason it away as much as you like, but science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. They both work hand in hand. "

Why do you repeat it? When Einstein said "religion" he didn't mean it the same way you did. His "religion" was "striving after rational knowledge."

Your religion is the bible and the worship of the abrahamic god which einstein specifically and without equivocation said was "childish" and a " product of human weaknesses".

You "ever think of studying the quote" and what he actually meant rather than misusing it to support your beliefs when einstein himself CLEARLY didn't.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:45:02 PM
HG: I can see how it would seem that way to you, and you can try to reason it away as much as you like, but science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind. They both work hand in hand. Ever think of studying the quote rather than trying to debunk them? A hint can be found in the other Einstein quotes you posted. Consider the above quote with what he meant by "genuine religiosity".

Angilion: Here's some info for you (which was posted earleir) Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." You're the one who seems to be implying that that the Egyptians were around before all that took place, and i'm ignorant because i don't know this. I'm sure you can see how absurd it is, but i'm gathering from what you posted that you really don't have an understanding of God, but it would seem you have one based on prejudices or dogmas.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:12:07 PM
Still, i expect i just didn't interpret the text correctly.


It's extremely difficult to interpret it any other way. Doing so requires irrationality, weirdly contorted interpretations and an adamantine determination to ignore everything that can't be forced into a vague pretence of meaning something else.

The god of the OT is a psycho nutjob on an epic scale, someone who makes even the most notorious deranged despots look like paragons of gentleness and compassion. No human who has ever lived has been as megalomaniacal, murderous and abusive even to their followers.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 7:04:27 PM
To be more specific:

Your initial (and completely false) claim was that faith in your god was around long before the Egyptians.

That is a false statement. It is not a statement of faith, which would be non-falsifiable (and meaningless). It is a testable statement of what you claim to be a fact and it is wrong.

I will be charitable and assume as a working hypothesis that you are so deluded that you can't tell the difference between fact and faith.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:58:15 PM
angelion: actually God is everlasting, and there's only one, who has been around since before mankind was. It sort of renders your point moot, and it looks like you're making up things to suit your own dogmas.


Don't be silly.

You made a factual statement that was provably wrong. You're either ignorant of history or you were lying and hoping that nobody pointed it out.

Now you're substituting a statement of faith and pretending that it's the factual statement you made earlier. It isn't. You're either dishonest or deluded, or possibly both. Both are to be expected in theists, obviously.

You can prattle your faith as you please - I'll just laugh - but when you make untrue statements as if they were facts then I might be around to point that out to anyone who happens to be reading, and when you make untrue statements about what you said before I might be around to point that out too.

RdDan
Male, 30-39, Europe
 760 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:53:36 PM
I've read the Old Testament once or twice, and God comes across as a genocidal, jealous megalomaniac who treats humans like toy soldiers and expects unconditional love and devotion in return.

Still, i expect i just didn't interpret the text correctly.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:51:55 PM
Angilion: The problem with your weak attempt at equating what Lillian said, is that over 5000 seen Jesus after he resurrected, Tens of thousands witnessed his miracles before he died, thousands more witnessed the miracles of the apostles. These go well beyond the word of one man (or woman).


Millions of people witness the miracles of Santa Claus every year. Presents appear overnight all over the world - a miracle!

By your "reasoning", the evidence for Santa Claus, as revealed by the prophet LillianDulci, is far stronger than the evidence for your preferred personal fiction.

There are many religions that you don't believe in and many of those have stories of miracles witnessed by many people. So why don't you believe those as well as your own? The evidence is identical (and identically meaningless).

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:47:24 PM
TheGuySmiley

Einstein, like most rational intelligent men, thought you are childish and weak. You might not want to quote him.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:46:27 PM
TheGuySmiley

"Even Einstein said that science without religion is lame, and religion without science is blind"

Totally out of context. You want some Einstein quotes?

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."

"genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

"the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish"

"the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions"

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